The powers that be do not give two s$%^ about poor people. When the Mungiki scythe is upon the middle calss and upper class,that is when the government will act.

It is sad but that is the truth.

@ Kanobi,

At the risk of hijacking this thread;

Breaking the issues,

Start with land.

If the govt were to delve into this,they would start by recognising private ownership of property.
With that in mind they might want to put forth a policy - to impose tax on idle land to encourage/compel those who have more than they can gainfully utilise,to sell it off.

Small holdings vs huge scale utilization of land,which is beneficial to the larger society.

Subsistence farming; That is the situation Kenyans find themselves in today. Is it the wisest thing for govt to encourage Kenyans to continue doing in this day and age.

I guess someone needs to tell Kenyans to get out of ' I am a victim of land grabbing sydrome' and learn to fit themselves in to the larger capitalist world.
Coveting other peoples land/property will take them nowhere at all. The surest way to waste one's time on earth,is to blissfully continue playing victim and awaiting govt to take from 'the rich' and share the wealth.

B.timer

@B-Timer

Me and you only disagree on the 'who owns the land' Kenyatta or Moi excising 50,000 acres of ADC land and calling it their own does not make the land theirs. repossessing it is an act of justice. kenyans demanding the land back is a call for justice,not coveting other peoples property.

Secondly,maybe the children from age 1-15 can be successfully steered away from subsistence farming,but for the rest of kenyans above this age who have no other economic abilities,this is the only and cheapest option apart from being manual labourers.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.

Then u get guys all over against EJ killings. How do u deal with such men in mathira? Unleash the kwekwe,it worked n it will still do. As for innocent deaths,well,even in war there's collateral. We will deal with that when we get there. Just kill them! Kill kill kill!

Truest proverb: Mwenda pole hajikwai

People,wake up and smell the coffee - if it is not Mungiki,it is a stolen election,or a slum with 1.5million people; or parents stealing scripts for their children; or MP's fighting for the spoils; or incompetent judges wanting more feed; or Kenyans executed in broad daylight; or Kenyans breeding like mice; or land grabbing; or land subdivision to oblivion; or unemployed masses; or tribalism and job allocations on no merit; or............ the list is endless. Mungiki is part of the Kenyan societal breakdown; all values are out of the window and these are the consequences. For the believers of any religion,the blood of 1,300 people killed as recent as 2007/2008 is in the hands of all Kenyans.

We must approach all these issues objectively. Our government at independence failed. Subsequent governments failed. The Kenyan people have also failed as we have engaged in meaningless thoughts and actions and continue to do so each and every day. These are the consequences. First,we must ask the spirits (whomever they are,the christian God,Muslim Allah or the traditional Ngai) for forgiveness for the blood of our brothers that we shed. Second,we educated elites such as the SKerians must begin thinking Nationally and not parochially. A Kenyan movement for Kenyans - our thought paradigms must change if Kenya is to reverse its death throes. This may then allow us to think objectively; to call a spade a spade. For instance,if KIbaki comes out and appoints political appointees without Raila we say no why? Because this is a coalition government period (objective thinking)! But the meaningless Kenyan scenario unfold thus - PNU (read some kikuyus) say he can because he is President ! ODM operatives (read some Luos say) say stupid Kyuks,they think Kenya is theirs! Heck Kenyans,can't we think straight!? were we cursed (Ham's descendants?) or is our IQ just low (as I read in some evolutionary quantitative genetics papers)?

Can we not see we need to do that which is good for the Nation? And not that which is immediately good for the self? And that in the end what is good for the Nation will ultimately be good for us and our children? Jamani Mungu,tulikosea wapi sisi waafrikaaaaaa?????????????

I do believe that mungiki started humbly registering their disatisfaction our their leaders because of the social and economic issues then but they realized that our leaders are deaf and dumb towards the poor. Then they saw a loophole in our governing structure in form of lucrative matatu industry and they exploited it to the point where denying them revenue,they had to spread terror visciously to protect they source of revenue ! Do you see a familiar trend in drug war in mexico ? I always ask myself why the stakes of forming the government in kenya is a matter of life and death ! Is it because all our billionaires once served in the government or were closely linked the mafioso and the powerful cartels ? I do believe that for the mighty in the government to respond to the cries of the poor,mungiki,inclusive,we as the wananchi have force the wenye inchi to act either by kidnapping them,holding them at ransom,suicide bomb them or execute them till the relent ! otherwise,they will never experience what majority of us face each and everyday ! Carjacking,ngetas,insecurity,police harassment,you name it !

Ati Saitoti will still be in the cabinet tomoroow big joke.This is not a Kikukyu issue it a national issue.Kibaki should act or he should leave the field to someone able to govern period.

TOMORROW WILL BE BETTER

@ Charley

HERE! HERE!

Muite and Kiai got it wrong by being too nice.

This is not a Kikuyu issue. It is a homeguard issue.

Kenya's leaders are all and I mean ALL. Including Muite and Kiai from the homeguard group of Kenyans. This group is the one that was taken to Alliance Boys to join the Carey Francis cult. Please note that all students of Carey Francis ended up with plum gov't jobs and are all corrupt to the core. I mean ALL. They are the who's who and Kenyans,regardless of tribe are now positioning themselves to bring them back.

I am sorry Mr.Tusker and other Kikuyu demagogues. You have failed in your analysis of the problem big time by declaring that ALL the Kikuyu are evil.

Kenyatta was selected by homeguards in KANU even though he had not done much for the struggle. Kenyatta then rewarded and employed homeguards especially those from Alliance boys training camp in the names of Koinange,Odinga,Moi etc etc.

This mungiki phenomenon is a result of falling for the divide and rule tactics employed by the homeguards and they will appear in other regions of the country. They have already started in Rift Valley (The warriors),Kibera (the railway haters) etc. Killing them will not solve the problem but consolidate the power of the homeguards in this country. Do not celebrate the Kikuyu peasant being destroyed since he does not support ODM. As ODM is also a club of homeguard children. Most bred and developed by Tom Mboya (CIA students) and Odinga the homeguards in Luo land.

Arap Samoei's children are broke but the homeguard Moi's children are doing just fine. Dedan Kimathi's children are broke,but home guard Koinange's children are just fine. Achieng Aneko's children are broke,but Odinga's children are just fine.

Be very careful as you deal with this social issue. Read your history of Kenya's independence and realise that the homeguards are busy protecting their turf as you guys wallow in hatred of the Kikuyu and their offsprings. It is soon going to manifest itself in your small bubble.

Since indepence look at this list

Kibaki,Michuki,Karume,Kenyatta by extension Uhuru,Muhoho,Githunguri if these bastereds and their children could be shown the door then as a community you will start seeing the light.


TOMORROW WILL BE BETTER