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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Democracy,everyone has a right to vote and choose who they think will be best for them and their fellow citizens. The problem is,without an informed citizenship how do you know who to vote for to best safeguard your interests? I agree,citizens can't always be voting for each and every small issue and that's why we have representatives. But are representatives really representing us if we can't understand what they are saying and what they intend to do.Now that brings in the problem,is democracy a pacifier? Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Representative Democracy alone cannot pacify the citizens.
For the representative is not only limited in rationality and information, but will always be guided by self interest.
The representative will always do what he thinks needs to be done, but can he know what actually needs to be done?
What we need is a direct democracy to complement the representative system.
This way, the body politic will have peace at all times, and it will flourish.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:Representative Democracy alone cannot pacify the citizens.
For the representative is not only limited in rationality and information, but will always be guided by self interest.
The representative will always do what he thinks needs to be done, but can he know what actually needs to be done?
What we need is a direct democracy to complement the representative system.
This way, the body politic will have peace at all times, and it will flourish.
I agree but I don't completely understand. Care to explain direct democracy? I hadn't thought about self interest of representatives,a big problem. Isn't the objective to elect representative who will try to find out what the needs of the people are and engage them to try and solve them. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The needs of the people can only be known, and met at the market place.
Imagine what happens when the citizens go first to a middle man in the name of a politician?
Prices will always be distorted, goods and services will be hoarded, and generally, the freedom of the citizen will be cut.
How does the politician get this data? Who collects it for him? When does he process and comprehend this data?
This process is too long and inaccurate!
Direct democracy is where each individual takes himself to the market, and through this, has a say in the day to day running of government.
Everyday is voting day, and the government is playing a very different role from its current one.
Citizens decide on what needs to be done, they contribute towards creating it and hold officers directly accountable.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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But people don't like more responsibilities. Direct democracy is demanding but bears more fruit. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/23/2010 Posts: 1,229
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ChessMaster wrote:...The problem is,without an informed citizenship how do you know who to vote for to best safeguard your interests?... There lies the problem. We treat the campaign period as the time for putting ideas out there so that the voter can make his choice based on the ideologies that most appealed to him. Problem is, some voters will invest more time in researching and probing the potential leadership (nyinyi hapa wazua), while others will attend a rally get entertained by a few stories and dances and vote. Both the informed vote and the uninformed vote (unfortunately) carry the same weight.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:But people don't like more responsibilities. Direct democracy is demanding but bears more fruit. People appear not to like responsibility because of its costs and because the Market structures are flawed. But with the internet, the Citizen will experience less costs, and great gains if he/she is directly responsible for what happens around. Again, since the government can no longer provide employment, health facilities and the goodies it has often promised, it follows that it must encourage the direct participation of the individual through social and cultural influence.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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@For Sport - That's exactly the problem. @tycho - Do you see the government pushing for participation. I doubt it would want that much pressure and accountability. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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tycho wrote:The needs of the people can only be known, and met at the market place.
Imagine what happens when the citizens go first to a middle man in the name of a politician?
Prices will always be distorted, goods and services will be hoarded, and generally, the freedom of the citizen will be cut.
How does the politician get this data? Who collects it for him? When does he process and comprehend this data?
This process is too long and inaccurate!
Direct democracy is where each individual takes himself to the market, and through this, has a say in the day to day running of government.
Everyday is voting day, and the government is playing a very different role from its current one.
Citizens decide on what needs to be done, they contribute towards creating it and hold officers directly accountable.
How does this direct democracy really work?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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For Sport wrote:ChessMaster wrote:...The problem is,without an informed citizenship how do you know who to vote for to best safeguard your interests?... There lies the problem. We treat the campaign period as the time for putting ideas out there so that the voter can make his choice based on the ideologies that most appealed to him. Problem is, some voters will invest more time in researching and probing the potential leadership (nyinyi Hana wazua), while others will attend a rally get entertained by a few stories and dances and vote. Both the informed vote and the uninformed vote (unfortunately) carry the same weight. And of course some vitendawili.
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