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Insurance Counters at NSE - Valuation & recommendation
holycow
#21 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:24:37 AM
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Seems folks have fallen in love with CIC. Any negative mention is overreacted to. Reminds me of the days when Equity was equally defended.
maka
#22 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:40:16 AM
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@techboy tone down your rhetoric but either way am with you on this...this investment banks just churn out mostly useless reports and recommendations that mainly position them into gaining more brokerage commission,we need some serious regulation this...
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dunkang
#23 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:51:40 AM
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@techboy, kindly cool down.
I, just as majority of wazuans, agree that brokers recommendations are at times (if not all) CRAP, but on this CIC thing, i concur, its not worth anything above 3.70/-.
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Aguytrying
#24 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:03:44 AM
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CiC is overvalued full stop. Its trading at double the sector p/b for one. Either the sector catches up or vice versa. If u look at insurance companies the one that would deserve to trade at the highest premium is jubilee. So if i was very optimistic with cic id value it with jubilee's ratios.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
mkonomtupu
#25 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:16:47 AM
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The insurance industry is the last place I would invest. The entire industry 43 companies makes only 7-9 billion in profits compared to the banks 100 billion. There is low penetration with most individuals and companies only buying motor, fire, personal accident and group medical cover. Any insurance company doing group medical cover is just bleeding itself because the claims are huge. The kenya population has a bad attitude towards insurance and the prefer "tunaomba serikali.." plus a bad savings culture.

I had tried to speculate with CFCI/liberty last year until I realized they preferred to keep 3 billion in cash, owed a huge loan to NIC and the MD was talking about investing in real estate when the stock market was down
Aguytrying
#26 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:45:45 AM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
The insurance industry is the last place I would invest. The entire industry 43 companies makes only 7-9 billion in profits compared to the banks 100 billion. There is low penetration with most individuals and companies only buying motor, fire, personal accident and group medical cover. Any insurance company doing group medical cover is just bleeding itself because the claims are huge. The kenya population has a bad attitude towards insurance and the prefer "tunaomba serikali.." plus a bad savings culture.

I had tried to speculate with CFCI/liberty last year until I realized they preferred to keep 3 billion in cash, owed a huge loan to NIC and the MD was talking about investing in real estate when the stock market was down


Ghai. I wish i knew this before i speculated recently. And the chairman is mentioned with the CMC drama.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
the deal
#27 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:43:56 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
The insurance industry is the last place I would invest. The entire industry 43 companies makes only 7-9 billion in profits compared to the banks 100 billion. There is low penetration with most individuals and companies only buying motor, fire, personal accident and group medical cover. Any insurance company doing group medical cover is just bleeding itself because the claims are huge. The kenya population has a bad attitude towards insurance and the prefer "tunaomba serikali.." plus a bad savings culture.

I had tried to speculate with CFCI/liberty last year until I realized they preferred to keep 3 billion in cash, owed a huge loan to NIC and the MD was talking about investing in real estate when the stock market was down


Ghai. I wish i knew this before i speculated recently. And the chairman is mentioned with the CMC drama.

Investors are always advised not to invest in a business they dont understand.
streetwise
#28 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:28:16 PM
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Question is how does the market set the price i.e valution, dividend policy, speculation, brand image etc.
mwekez@ji
#29 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 12:43:38 PM
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Tape reading tells me Kenya Re is facing strong resistance at the current level of 12.00/50. @hisah and other TAs, is there a likelihood of this resistance being broken in near term
mlennyma
#30 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 12:49:19 PM
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Insurance firms are set to benefit bigtime on political risk covers if elections are smooth.
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