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Sasa wewe… How you keep on seeing emotions, baffles me!! I would be dishonest if I didn’t acknowledge that the better part of your piece sounds fairly well thought out. In the same breath, I hasten to add that I read certain snippets of bias – see my view as below in blueLolest! wrote:@ngalaka, Now let me take you through the political side of my thoughts.
In 2002 and 2007 I was certain of the person who would make the best CEO of Kenya.
I voted for them and they won. Their performance is another issue altogether.
I, for a long time, never saw UMK as a serious politician. From his political diaper days looking like a typical trading centre drunk to his days in oppposition, I was never convinced he really wanted to be President. It hit me he was serious when he unleashed his website on his 50th birthday. Then he became big, marshalling Odinga-like emotional support among his people.
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But that hasn't changed my opposition to him. Infact, among the jubilants, I think Balala and Ruto are better!
Huh, Serious!
On Raila, I have grown up seeing both his good and evil side. From constitution review battles, Ford formation and Narc win to FORD-K disitegration, KANU cooperation and merger, anti-'central' campaigns since 2005 and the eventual PEV; the whining in the grand coalition, the hypocrisy in war on graft....This is one man who deserves to be both loved and hated!
Fair
And political support, like club football, is about love and hate. Not commonsense. Actually it is more of common nonesense!
True that, but you and I need not sanction it.
Why am I discussing Railahuru? Because, people like you, believe that one has to be either a Jubilant or a Cordite. The fallacy of the false dichotomy at play!
Fallacious characterisation of yours truly!
I am one of the undecided voters. I want to vote for one of the 'pundas' but I am not sure which one.
At some point I listened to wazuans and thought I should vote PK. But then I saw him evade the issue of land policy-actually refuse to respond to a querry on it from a voter on facebook. I was confused. Claims of ill gotten wealth were there too. I'm still listening and will probably make my final decision after the debate.
At some point I hoped Musalia would be given the Jubilee ticket. That would have ensured a first round win and a cool nation devoid of the rising temperatures we see now. I was sure that a Kenyatta-Odinga duel would be deeply polarising and this has come to pass. Fair Seeing Ngalaka in a clearly tribal thread scoring all the ethnic hate points is a good pointer!
Summon some intellectual honesty to sieve fair commentary from bigotry
On the suspects/indictees, I too had hoped they would abstain from the big offices till they are cleared. Too bad. It didn't happen. But I know better than engage in juvenile insults on their supporters like some here.
I am scared, very scared of what will happen when they win. I agree, there is a lot of uncertainty. It's not enough to whine when we can take EFFECTIVE remedial action.
But I refuse to buy your argument that whoever backs, or is suspected to back the Jubilee team is guilty of some crime. The biggest problem here is that the jury is full of Cordites!
At no point did I say or infer that. Those who should know like yourself though, would be expected to act right, or abandon any claim of fair mindedness.
But I am scared too of what will happen should the cordites win. If what we saw in 2007 is anything to go by...
But we have an option, lets drop democracy for technocracy. Let whoever wants to be President go through public vetting by a board. I hate the idea of a parliamentary system but I love the one on vetting!
Fair comment.
Sincerely,
Kaka Lolest Yule Mwanawazua
cc.mcreggae, poundfoolish, simonkabz
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Lolest! wrote:@ngalaka, Now let me take you through the political side of my thoughts.
In 2002 and 2007 I was certain of the person who would make the best CEO of Kenya.
I voted for them and they won. Their performance is another issue altogether.
I, for a long time, never saw UMK as a serious politician. From his political diaper days looking like a typical trading centre drunk to his days in oppposition, I was never convinced he really wanted to be President. It hit me he was serious when he unleashed his website on his 50th birthday. Then he became big, marshalling Odinga-like emotional support among his people.
But that hasn't changed my opposition to him. Infact, among the jubilants, I think Balala and Ruto are better!
On Raila, I have grown up seeing both his good and evil side. From constitution review battles, Ford formation and Narc win to FORD-K disitegration, KANU cooperation and merger, anti-'central' campaigns since 2005 and the eventual PEV; the whining in the grand coalition, the hypocrisy in war on graft....This is one man who deserves to be both loved and hated!
And political support, like club football, is about love and hate. Not commonsense. Actually it is more of common nonesense!
Why am I discussing Railahuru? Because, people like you, believe that one has to be either a Jubilant or a Cordite. The fallacy of the false dichotomy at play!
I am one of the undecided voters. I want to vote for one of the 'pundas' but I am not sure which one.
At some point I listened to wazuans and thought I should vote PK. But then I saw him evade the issue of land policy-actually refuse to respond to a querry on it from a voter on facebook. I was confused. Claims of ill gotten wealth were there too. I'm still listening and will probably make my final decision after the debate.
At some point I hoped Musalia would be given the Jubilee ticket. That would have ensured a first round win and a cool nation devoid of the rising temperatures we see now. I was sure that a Kenyatta-Odinga duel would be deeply polarising and this has come to pass. Seeing Ngalaka in a clearly tribal thread scoring all the ethnic hate points is a good pointer!
On the suspects/indictees, I too had hoped they would abstain from the big offices till they are cleared. Too bad. It didn't happen. But I know better than engage in juvenile insults on their supporters like some here.
I am scared, very scared of what will happen when they win. I agree, there is a lot of uncertainty. But I refuse to buy your argument that whoever backs, or is suspected to back the Jubilee team is guilty of some crime. The biggest problem here is that the jury is full of Cordites!
But I am scared too of what will happen should the cordites win. If what we saw in 2007 is anything to go by...
But we have an option, lets drop democracy for technocracy. Let whoever wants to be President go through public vetting by a board. I hate the idea of a parliamentary system but I love the one on vetting!
Sincerely,
Kaka Lolest Yule Mwanawazua
cc.mcreggae, poundfoolish, simonkabz
But that was a true presentation of yourself, that is how I have always known you. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Lolest! wrote:@ngalaka, Now let me take you through the political side of my thoughts.
In 2002 and 2007 I was certain of the person who would make the best CEO of Kenya.
I voted for them and they won. Their performance is another issue altogether.
I, for a long time, never saw UMK as a serious politician. From his political diaper days looking like a typical trading centre drunk to his days in oppposition, I was never convinced he really wanted to be President. It hit me he was serious when he unleashed his website on his 50th birthday. Then he became big, marshalling Odinga-like emotional support among his people.
But that hasn't changed my opposition to him. Infact, among the jubilants, I think Balala and Ruto are better!
On Raila, I have grown up seeing both his good and evil side. From constitution review battles, Ford formation and Narc win to FORD-K disitegration, KANU cooperation and merger, anti-'central' campaigns since 2005 and the eventual PEV; the whining in the grand coalition, the hypocrisy in war on graft....This is one man who deserves to be both loved and hated!
And political support, like club football, is about love and hate. Not commonsense. Actually it is more of common nonesense!
Why am I discussing Railahuru? Because, people like you, believe that one has to be either a Jubilant or a Cordite. The fallacy of the false dichotomy at play!
I am one of the undecided voters. I want to vote for one of the 'pundas' but I am not sure which one.
At some point I listened to wazuans and thought I should vote PK. But then I saw him evade the issue of land policy-actually refuse to respond to a querry on it from a voter on facebook. I was confused. Claims of ill gotten wealth were there too. I'm still listening and will probably make my final decision after the debate.
At some point I hoped Musalia would be given the Jubilee ticket. That would have ensured a first round win and a cool nation devoid of the rising temperatures we see now. I was sure that a Kenyatta-Odinga duel would be deeply polarising and this has come to pass. Seeing Ngalaka in a clearly tribal thread scoring all the ethnic hate points is a good pointer!
On the suspects/indictees, I too had hoped they would abstain from the big offices till they are cleared. Too bad. It didn't happen. But I know better than engage in juvenile insults on their supporters like some here.
I am scared, very scared of what will happen when they win. I agree, there is a lot of uncertainty. But I refuse to buy your argument that whoever backs, or is suspected to back the Jubilee team is guilty of some crime. The biggest problem here is that the jury is full of Cordites!
But I am scared too of what will happen should the cordites win. If what we saw in 2007 is anything to go by...
But we have an option, lets drop democracy for technocracy. Let whoever wants to be President go through public vetting by a board. I hate the idea of a parliamentary system but I love the one on vetting!
Sincerely,
Kaka Lolest Yule Mwanawazua
cc.mcreggae, poundfoolish, simonkabz
 very well put.
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