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Do we really have a City Planning Department? and do they know what's happening in Pipeline??
Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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This is Nairobi...Pipeline area. Are we really investing or just creating more slums and more problems. Things are out of control  
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/21/2012 Posts: 1,739
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This ia a real sorry story. And we want to elect land grabbers. The road in between looks to me to be 3 metres at most. Should this not be the usual 9 minimum? Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/8/2012 Posts: 257
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The council is a shame,they have no idea what is their mandate.Kazi ni hawkers kila siku.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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We are quick to blame the council, but we are responsible for the impunity too.
This Pipeline land consists of land forcefully taken away from its legal owners and sold in bits. Since grabbed land has no title, City council cannot approve any buildings here and any attempt to demolish is met by resistance by akina Clifford YT2
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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majimaji wrote:
We are quick to blame the council, but we are responsible for the impunity too.
This Pipeline land consists of land forcefully taken away from its legal owners and sold in bits. Since grabbed land has no title, City council cannot approve any buildings here and any attempt to demolish is met by resistance by akina Clifford YT2
So true the city planning department actually runs very well but that pipeline-Embakasi area is a no-go-zone for them and to think Clifford YT2 will be the governor Actually this is not a slum when you visit some areas then you will see things really out of control. The best period in this city was when we used to have the City Commission things worked, kameros collected garbage every saturday, never used to boil the tap water, when someone set up a kiosk illegally you just called city hall and it would be demolished the next day, when buses came on time and you board from juja road to Kenyatta, when exercise books were distributed to kids in nursery and primary schools. Then we started electing kajuras from 1992 and the city went to the dogs
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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mkonomtupu wrote:
The best period in this city was when we used to have the City Commission things worked, kameros collected garbage every saturday, never used to boil the tap water, when someone set up a kiosk illegally you just called city hall and it would be demolished the next day, when buses came on time and you board from juja road to Kenyatta, when exercise books were distributed to kids in nursery and primary schools.
This was PK's narration yesterday at PEFA Donholm. He also talked of how to make things work again by killing impunity by investing serious in the judiciary to make it possible to fast-track economic crimes within 90 days. After hanging a few big fish to dry, discipline would be back in the management of our resources. Nairobi has a City planning dept which is more interested in coercing bribes than implementing the master plan. blame it all on corruption and impunity. We fix those two, and order will start creeping back.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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The local Government, under which City Planning lies, is to blame for this kind of chaos. They either are overwhelmed by the number of new developments or are complacent due to corruption. NCC should have ensured all buildings are constructed to the agreed standards before the developers constructed. NCC should also spearhead roads and sewer services and ensure building owners maintain their buildings annually. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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a4architect.com wrote:The local Government, under which City Planning lies, is to blame for this kind of chaos. They either are overwhelmed by the number of new developments or are complacent due to corruption. NCC should have ensured all buildings are constructed to the agreed standards before the developers constructed. NCC should also spearhead roads and sewer services and ensure building owners maintain their buildings annually. @a4architect.com if i may ask is there a legislation which provides guidelines on what should come first Infrastructure vs Settlement??
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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yes. Its within local authority bylaws. When proposing to subdivide land, you are required to provide a level of infrastructure before ministry of lands issue titles,from where developers can start to build. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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jamplu wrote:This is Nairobi...Pipeline area. Are we really investing or just creating more slums and more problems. Things are out of control Huruma looks just like this.. there is a time i took a bored walk in huruma.. schools were closed and the place has no playgrounds.. so you can imagine the amount of noise that comes from the highrises..
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/6/2010 Posts: 242
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The growing outskirts of Ongata Rongai , Kitengela and Isinya may soon follow suit if the relevany councils do not reinforce planning laws.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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same with Mathare north and Kayole. Interiors of these buildings dont even have proper ventilation, leading to pulmonary diseases. The next govt has a herculian task to restore these places to acceptable habitation levels. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Solar powered air conditioners Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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The irony of it all is that the cost of constructing such a slumscraper is nearly the same as constructing in kileleshwa. A minimum of kes 25,000 per m2 will be used while the kileleshwa buildings start at kes 28,000 per m2. This means its the local authority failing to enforce rules since these developers can afford millions in terms of infrastructure if laws are enforced. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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a4architect.com wrote:The irony of it all is that the cost of constructing such a slumscraper is nearly the same as constructing in kileleshwa. A minimum of kes 25,000 per m2 will be used while the kileleshwa buildings start at kes 28,000 per m2. This means its the local authority failing to enforce rules since these developers can afford millions in terms of infrastructure if laws are enforced. If the construction is on loan how do people manage to pay off the debt because i believe rent somehow will remain at same level or increment kidogo kidogo tu if not go down as the situation worsens off do these guyz break even?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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most of the houses here are bedsiters, 1 bd and 2 bd. With rents of 4k, 5.5k and 9.5k for these, repayment period is 10 to 12 years. Rents in pipeline are higher so repayment period is shorter. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/24/2011 Posts: 407 Location: Nairobi,Kenya
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a4architect.com wrote:The irony of it all is that the cost of constructing such a slumscraper is nearly the same as constructing in kileleshwa. A minimum of kes 25,000 per m2 will be used while the kileleshwa buildings start at kes 28,000 per m2. This means its the local authority failing to enforce rules since these developers can afford millions in terms of infrastructure if laws are enforced. @architect,we cannot all live in Kileleshwa.we have to accept that we need cheaper housing for a large part of our Nairobi population.This is the alternative found in pipeline and other similar areas.If you look keenly onto the photo,the houses seem ok.however the infrastructure and the sewage/drainage is the problem.This is where the council has failed because they should provide these facilities before people develop to such a high rate.Just imagine if there were no single rooms @3-4K,and bedsitters @6-7K ,where would all those people live?and I can assure its a huge number....just take a walk along the Airport north road from Taj mall to Cabanas from 1700hrs and you will know what I'm talking about. Hope is not a strategy
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@sanity..very true..exactly what am saying. Construction cost in Pipeline is just as expensive as in upmarket areas. The only drawback is lack of byelaw enforcement. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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josimar wrote:The growing outskirts of Ongata Rongai , Kitengela and Isinya may soon follow suit if the relevany councils do not reinforce planning laws. @josimar some sections of ongata rongai are already this bad. Actually, worse since there is no sewer line and some landlords empty their septic tanks onto the road at night.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 36
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The buildings look okay.The roads and clothes look really bad.What amazes me is that one is ready to spend more than 10 million putting up the buildings but ready to spend zero on infrastructure.If all the landlords in the picture got together and contributed money they could put trenches/ditches on the sides of the road to ferry rainwater and also put murram at the very least or even concrete on the road and their properties would look so much better and maybe fetch more rent.Even if a landlord just did the patch infront of his plot and the next one did his etc coz if they wait for council/govt it will take forever!
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