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Liv
#31 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 12:48:54 PM
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accelriskconsult wrote:
Liv wrote:
accelriskconsult wrote:



Can you quote a source to back your claim that he did not want the cases to be tried in Kenya?



Please read the whole blog to understand. I have already done that.



I table paragraph 1 of page 27 of the Hansard report of 16 December 2010.

Is Miguna more credible than the Hansard report?


Even before Miguna wrote his book, this letter was public knowledge....as quoted by Nation in March 2011....see below

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/11hgyaj/-/index.html

The issue here is that RAO has been growing hot and cold about this matter.... very inconsistent.... and his election promise to have the case referred back home is just that... another promise to get votes.
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McReggae
#32 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 12:52:12 PM
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@Liv, on ICC however much you will try to hang Raila, it falls flat......
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Liv
#33 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 12:59:32 PM
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McReggae wrote:
@Liv, on ICC however much you will try to hang Raila, it falls flat......


Of course to you... it must fall flat. I don't expect it to fly with you.
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mawinder
#34 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 1:00:37 PM
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McReggae wrote:
@Liv, on ICC however much you will try to hang Raila, it falls flat......

It depends,some communities believe Raila took their sons there and no amount of evidence can make them change their stance.
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Angelica _ann
#35 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 1:03:46 PM
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mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@Liv, on ICC however much you will try to hang Raila, it falls flat......

It depends,some communities believe Raila took their sons there and no amount of evidence can make them change their stance.


Which is a big lie and the people propagating it know that!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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accelriskconsult
#36 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 1:04:05 PM
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Liv wrote:
accelriskconsult wrote:
Liv wrote:
accelriskconsult wrote:



Can you quote a source to back your claim that he did not want the cases to be tried in Kenya?



Please read the whole blog to understand. I have already done that.



I table paragraph 1 of page 27 of the Hansard report of 16 December 2010.

Is Miguna more credible than the Hansard report?


Even before Miguna wrote his book, this letter was public knowledge....as quoted by Nation in March 2011....see below

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/11hgyaj/-/index.html

The issue here is that RAO has been growing hot and cold about this matter.... very inconsistent.... and his election promise to have the case referred back home is just that... another promise to get votes.


Liv, I would like to draw your attention to some 20 logical fallacies and in particular the fallacy referred to as non sequiter and the fallacy on argument from authority. http://www.theskepticsgu.../logicalfallacies.aspx.


You have so far not adduced any evidence that RAO has blown hot and cold over the ICC. I have provided you evidence from a verbatim recording of parliamentary proceedings that RAO supported a local tribunal from day 1. I suspect, no I know, that your conclusions are based on feelings about the person of RAO rather than facts.
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mawinder
#37 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 1:27:21 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@Liv, on ICC however much you will try to hang Raila, it falls flat......

It depends,some communities believe Raila took their sons there and no amount of evidence can make them change their stance.


Which is a big lie and the people propagating it know that!

It will cost Raila votes.Raila has not handled the issue well.He should play clips on what transpired on shitiezen e.g Hague itakuwa 2090,let us not be vague,the parliamentary debates etc.
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Much Know
#38 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 1:40:10 PM
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I hope Rao yoke on Nyanza is waning from what i have seen recently, I believe the election will bring our boy's back home, his opinion never matters as the most populist or power hungry thing under any circumstances is what he will do until he gets real power(even 1/2 bread was not enough), then he will forget populism and serve his communist ego. Therefore it is futile to discuss Raos intention without considering they depend on convenience. But our best boys must come back home, and with Rao influence waning, they will come back.
Ras Kienyeji Man
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accelriskconsult
#39 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 1:59:32 PM
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Much Know wrote:
I hope Rao yoke on Nyanza is waning from what i have seen recently, I believe the election will bring our boy's back home, his opinion never matters as the most populist or power hungry thing under any circumstances is what he will do until he gets real power(even 1/2 bread was not enough), then he will forget populism and serve his communist ego. Therefore it is futile to discuss Raos intention without considering they depend on convenience. But our best boys must come back home, and with Rao influence waning, they will come back.



That is laughable.

1. what does RAO influence on Nyanza have to do with the ICC process?
2. How will the waning of the influence bring the boys home?
3. How can the election outcome influence ICC to reverse its earlier decision on jurisdiction? If you mean that the boys will refuse to cooperate, just say so.
4. Do you understand the difference between a communist and a social democrat? Was Mwalimu Julius Nyerere a communist? Is Nelson Mandela a communist? You need to familiarize yourself with Mcarthism also know as scare mongering (which is what you are practising).

I think its better to for one to say that they just dont like RAO than to look for flimsy unsubstantiated excuses in order to demonise him.
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McReggae
#40 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 2:10:46 PM
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Raila's influence in Nyanza waning, another fallacy!!!

If that was the case then many parties would have held primaries there, those defeated would have defected to other parties at the first opportunity!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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