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Pitfallls of Going to work Abroad
marting
#1 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:51:29 PM
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What are the main pitfalls to look out for when thinking of up-rooting yourself & probably your family to a country abroad, ofcourse this is after the financial aspect.
please advice...
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sitaki.kujulikana
#2 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 12:37:12 PM
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racial segregation, it can be very serious in some areas and can negatively affect your family, especially the young ones
pariah
#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:50:54 AM
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Depends on where you are headed ie moving to Moscow or Poland presents different challenges than moving to Minnesota for example. But generally it can be very expensive, the biggest problem for me is getting out of touch with your networks in Kenya and the expectations people have o you when you get back. There is a feeling of being an outsider but can be overcome with an active social life, it can also be very rewarding for the exposure both to you and your family
mwendiuthaka
#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:23:28 AM
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unless the financial rewards are REALLY high,it's not worth it.Re-integration back home after a long absence is really difficult and you end up feeling like you don't fit in either ngambo or kenya.If both parents are working abroad then you risk losing your kids to a culture that is alien to yours and some are very negative.
bonze
#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:59:13 AM
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As you decide, always remember that if it has been your dream to go abroad, there is no one experience that can mirror what awaits you out there, both good or bad.

It's your destiny, and if your care to lose sight of the shore, only then can you discover new land.
King G
#6 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 5:02:16 PM
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Distabilizing kids on the systems of education. when you come back, their peers in kenya tend to be ahead of the,m and adopting/adapting back to them usualy takes longer time!
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marting
#7 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2013 3:39:08 PM
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Thank you all, the D-Day is almost here and still a bit anxious, however, strongly believe this is destined...the destination is not as challenging as Poland or Moscow. 2013 New year New Things, thanks alot bonze for the encouraging words...
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Wakanyugi
#8 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 12:13:01 AM
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All the best Marting. You'll be fine.

One thing people didn't mention is that the kids tend to adjust to a foreign culture very fast - which helps.

I believe the biggest gift you can give your children today is exposure - the chance to become true citizens of the World.
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quicksand
#9 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 1:40:05 AM
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In Europe, if that is where you are headed, life is costly and taxes are high (around 50% of your income give or take) ... even with a high income, the savings are usually lower than initially hoped.
Weather is bleak during the summers and bloody cold in winters. That takes some adjusting if you are an outdoors man or love family picnics. People too can be a little distant and frosty, so you could get lonely.
All the same working in a foreign country broadens your perspectives and experience, I would go for it despite the odds. One advantage is that you can zip around many countries cheaply and without too much of visa hustles, especially signatories to the Schengen agreement, that is a huge plus for a tourist or adventurer.
quicksand
#10 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 1:42:55 AM
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By the way @marting if you disclose your destination chances are someone here has visited or lived there and can give you locale specific advice. .......
iKenya
#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:07:39 PM
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quicksand wrote:
By the way @marting if you disclose your destination chances are someone here has visited or lived there and can give you locale specific advice. .......


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uzimalife
#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:03:24 PM
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Interesting!!! Lived in the US for 6 years. Left Nairobi after high school, made bad choices the big one being not finishing school. Life caught up, came back with no degree hence had to go back and start all over again. Did my undergrad then post grad thanks be to God hence can add my fresha wisdom.

1. From a christian background, go there if really that's where you ought to be (Calling/destiny)

2. Do it legally. Make sure you follow the book to the t.

3. Don't leave any of your nuclear family members behind, No long distance relationship with your family.

4. The usual learning the ropes in a foreign land will occur.

5. Go to friends and family are located. If your friends are genuine, 90% of assimilating will be easy.

6. Evade "kazi ya mkono" that sometimes pays better and get a degree. A normal working schedule will give you more time to watch your family grow. "Majuu pple" value their families.

7. Join a church...Important!!!

God bless..
Goliath
#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:06:25 PM
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My only advise to you is to be sure you are satisfied with your contract and package. The best is an expat contract if you can get paid net of taxes, and in addition get benefits like accom, transport and airtickets etc that ensure you dont use your pay for expenses( assuming you are going alone). Unless you are relocating from Kenya permanently or with your family. Bottom line is $$$ the other issues are irrelevant. This is from from personal experience.
kurakwangu
#14 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:57:57 PM
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I have benefitted immensely from this site nd thought Id register and give back a little by contributing as well.

Been living "mayuu" for close to five years on and off.

My experience below:
From a financial perspective it was initially rewarding as although the expenses were high, the tax free status of where I live meant savings were decent. Salaries of my former colleagues in Kenya have however caught up with them getting promoted and all and now the financial advantage isn’t as big as it used to be.

Career progression -not so good from my experience and that of most people sharing my background- ie from "3rd world" countries. There is a general perception that a glass ceiling exists and you either have to sell your soul to the devil- ie work like a mad man with no social or personal life to break through or become a kiss ass which in my experience I have noticed Kenyans are not good at. Quite a proud bunch we are. Zimbabweans, on the other hand are very docile and kiss assy- hell they've tolerated the comrade for so long with no meaningful attempts at getting rid of the fella. Same thing with Philipinos and Indians. But I digress.

Travel- it is definitely easier and cheaper to travel and seek adventure from this side of the world. You can go for a 3 day luxury cruise at the same cost of spending 3 nights in a hotel in Mombassa.

Shopping- definitely here - my proximity to the US is very near and this is where most of us do most of our major shopping. Things are way cheaper than in Kenya in my opinion and you find more variety and superior quality. You can find original designer attire starting at $5 especially when they have sales. Similar thing with furniture,and electronics.

Security- Undoubtedly where I currently reside. Houses are never burglarproved, ngetas are rare and you never have to drive wondering why the car behind you has tailed you for so long- well unless unakula bibi ya mtu which I strongly advice against.

Quality of life: Its a 50/50 especially where you have your larger family in Kenya. You get to miss on your nephews and nieces growing up and you really dont participate in your loved ones lives especially if you value family as much as I do. On the other hand ammenities here are way superior, little trafick, cars are way cheaper and better than in Kenya, health care better (IMO).

Side businesses/ Money making opportunities:definitely Kenya. From the stock market to land buying- returns are phenomenal in Kenya and opportunities abound. Expect opportunities to increase as the economy grows and if we do not screw up the next elections.

In summary I think it was a worthwhile experience that has exposed me to new people, ideas and cultures, but ultimately believe your interests as a Kenyan are best served in Kenya. Wherever you are going chances are they will want to serve the interest of their citizens before they consider yours.
ChessMaster
#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:53:24 PM
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Welcome kurakwangu.Sounds like the Caymans what you've described?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
quicksand
#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:18:16 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Welcome kurakwangu.Sounds like the Caymans what you've described?

Or Barbados, Bahamas, Canadian West Coast (British Columbia)?
maka
#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:07:39 PM
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if you are the spare wheel type of guy its sad that you have to start from scratch...
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accelriskconsult
#18 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:11:38 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Welcome kurakwangu.Sounds like the Caymans what you've described?


Cayman or Bermuda.

His description of what to expect is spot on.
richdad
#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:56:19 AM
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They say "risk is extra life". Just do it. By the end of our time we only regret what we never did!!
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marting
#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:04:34 AM
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Thank you all, been a bit caught up as the d-day is Feb13 and plans on high gear.
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Richdad wrote They say "risk is extra life". Just do it. By the end of our time we only regret what we never did!!
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My new address will be the Gulf, Doha to be specific and getting the 'Expat' package - the tax free salo,furnished house & around the world tickets.
Anxiety still lingers but holding on to 'richdad' statement. smile smile
The place seems surprisingly family oriented - Package includes international schooling for lil tyke.
Here's to not having the "I wish i did" all too familiar regrets & with us seeming to choose 'baba yao' & 'sonko' to high posts, my decision might just be timely. smile smile
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