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aemathenge wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I can assure you CORD is not targeting your vote, its expected that some people have to vote for the losing candidate and you are one of the chosen for this honourable task of upholding democracy. sssss !! OUCH ! All indication is that Uhuru will win. So maybe better to be a bit tempered in the comments here. I am happy
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Amores wrote:aemathenge wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I can assure you CORD is not targeting your vote, its expected that some people have to vote for the losing candidate and you are one of the chosen for this honourable task of upholding democracy. sssss !! OUCH ! All indication is that Uhuru will win. So maybe better to be a bit tempered in the comments here. Sorry I must have missed the news you mean he is defending his Gatundu seat......
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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[quote=xyzee]@liv I assume you remember that this was a forgery denied by both ICC & ODM. Get more credible sources, Stop relying on Migooner, we all know his history. Link below can help jog your memory Http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/j20l0vz/-/index.html[/quote] @ xyzee,
Please do not confuse the letter which was written by ODM to UN security council in March 2011 and the one purportedly written to ICC in June/ July 2011. These 2 are different.
The letter I included here to UN security council is in Miguna's book and no one has ever denied it. It was meant to counter another one written by Kenya Government on deferral and Referral of the ICC cases.
The one denied in July was about requesting ICC to have the suspects detained... not about referral and deferreal of the cases.
Please get your facts right before you file your defence.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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Liv wrote:[quote=xyzee]@liv I assume you remember that this was a forgery denied by both ICC & ODM. Get more credible sources, Stop relying on Migooner, we all know his history. Link below can help jog your memory Http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/j20l0vz/-/index.html[/quote] @ xyzee,
Please do not confuse the letter which was written by ODM to UN security council in March 2011 and the one purportedly written to ICC in June/ July 2011. These 2 are different.
The letter I included here to UN security council is in Miguna's book and no one has ever denied it. It was meant to counter another one written by Kenya Government on deferral and Referral of the ICC cases.
The one denied in July was about requesting ICC to have the suspects detained... not about referral and deferreal of the cases.
Please get your facts right before you file your defence.
I am tempted to call out all the simpletons. If Raila is so influential as to control the ICC and the international community, isnt he exactly the type of president that Kenya needs?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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accelriskconsult wrote:Liv wrote:[quote=xyzee]@liv I assume you remember that this was a forgery denied by both ICC & ODM. Get more credible sources, Stop relying on Migooner, we all know his history. Link below can help jog your memory Http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/j20l0vz/-/index.html[/quote] @ xyzee,
Please do not confuse the letter which was written by ODM to UN security council in March 2011 and the one purportedly written to ICC in June/ July 2011. These 2 are different.
The letter I included here to UN security council is in Miguna's book and no one has ever denied it. It was meant to counter another one written by Kenya Government on deferral and Referral of the ICC cases.
The one denied in July was about requesting ICC to have the suspects detained... not about referral and deferreal of the cases.
Please get your facts right before you file your defence.
I am tempted to call out all the simpletons. If Raila is so influential as to control the ICC and the international community, isnt he exactly the type of president that Kenya needs? Mr,...this forum is not about his ability to influence ICC or the lack thereof ... it is about his consistency in the message. At one point he did not want the ICC case to be referred back to Kenya.... but now he is promising that once he is elected president he will be able to convince the UN security council to to the same.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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Liv wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:Liv wrote:[quote=xyzee]@liv I assume you remember that this was a forgery denied by both ICC & ODM. Get more credible sources, Stop relying on Migooner, we all know his history. Link below can help jog your memory Http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/j20l0vz/-/index.html[/quote] @ xyzee,
Please do not confuse the letter which was written by ODM to UN security council in March 2011 and the one purportedly written to ICC in June/ July 2011. These 2 are different.
The letter I included here to UN security council is in Miguna's book and no one has ever denied it. It was meant to counter another one written by Kenya Government on deferral and Referral of the ICC cases.
The one denied in July was about requesting ICC to have the suspects detained... not about referral and deferreal of the cases.
Please get your facts right before you file your defence.
I am tempted to call out all the simpletons. If Raila is so influential as to control the ICC and the international community, isnt he exactly the type of president that Kenya needs? Mr,...this forum is not about his ability to influence ICC or the lack thereof ... it is about his consistency in the message. At one point he did not want the ICC case to be referred back to Kenya.... but now he is promising that once he is elected president he will be able to convince the UN security council to to the same. Can you quote a source to back your claim that he did not want the cases to be tried in Kenya?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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accelriskconsult wrote:
Can you quote a source to back your claim that he did not want the cases to be tried in Kenya?
Please read the whole blog to understand. I have already done that.
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Liv wrote:[quote=xyzee]@liv I assume you remember that this was a forgery denied by both ICC & ODM. Get more credible sources, Stop relying on Migooner, we all know his history.Link below can help jog your memory Http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/j20l0vz/-/index.html[/quote] @ xyzee,
Please do not confuse the letter which was written by ODM to UN security council in March 2011 and the one purportedly written to ICC in June/ July 2011. These 2 are different.
The letter I included here to UN security council is in Miguna's book and no one has ever denied it. It was meant to counter another one written by Kenya Government on deferral and Referral of the ICC cases.
The one denied in July was about requesting ICC to have the suspects detained... not about referral and deferreal of the cases.
Please get your facts right before you file your defence.
You are still insisting on Migooner ...
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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Liv wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:
Can you quote a source to back your claim that he did not want the cases to be tried in Kenya?
Please read the whole blog to understand. I have already done that. I table paragraph 1 of page 27 of the Hansard report of 16 December 2010. Is Miguna more credible than the Hansard report?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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accelriskconsult wrote:Liv wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:
Can you quote a source to back your claim that he did not want the cases to be tried in Kenya?
Please read the whole blog to understand. I have already done that. I table paragraph 1 of page 27 of the Hansard report of 16 December 2010. Is Miguna more credible than the Hansard report? Even before Miguna wrote his book, this letter was public knowledge....as quoted by Nation in March 2011....see belowhttp://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/11hgyaj/-/index.html
The issue here is that RAO has been growing hot and cold about this matter.... very inconsistent.... and his election promise to have the case referred back home is just that... another promise to get votes.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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@Liv, on ICC however much you will try to hang Raila, it falls flat...... ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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McReggae wrote:@Liv, on ICC however much you will try to hang Raila, it falls flat...... Of course to you... it must fall flat. I don't expect it to fly with you.
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McReggae wrote:@Liv, on ICC however much you will try to hang Raila, it falls flat...... It depends,some communities believe Raila took their sons there and no amount of evidence can make them change their stance.
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mawinder wrote:McReggae wrote:@Liv, on ICC however much you will try to hang Raila, it falls flat...... It depends,some communities believe Raila took their sons there and no amount of evidence can make them change their stance. Which is a big lie and the people propagating it know that! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Liv wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:Liv wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:
Can you quote a source to back your claim that he did not want the cases to be tried in Kenya?
Please read the whole blog to understand. I have already done that. I table paragraph 1 of page 27 of the Hansard report of 16 December 2010. Is Miguna more credible than the Hansard report? Even before Miguna wrote his book, this letter was public knowledge....as quoted by Nation in March 2011....see belowhttp://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/11hgyaj/-/index.html
The issue here is that RAO has been growing hot and cold about this matter.... very inconsistent.... and his election promise to have the case referred back home is just that... another promise to get votes. Liv, I would like to draw your attention to some 20 logical fallacies and in particular the fallacy referred to as non sequiter and the fallacy on argument from authority. http://www.theskepticsgu.../logicalfallacies.aspx.
You have so far not adduced any evidence that RAO has blown hot and cold over the ICC. I have provided you evidence from a verbatim recording of parliamentary proceedings that RAO supported a local tribunal from day 1. I suspect, no I know, that your conclusions are based on feelings about the person of RAO rather than facts.
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Angelica _ann wrote:mawinder wrote:McReggae wrote:@Liv, on ICC however much you will try to hang Raila, it falls flat...... It depends,some communities believe Raila took their sons there and no amount of evidence can make them change their stance. Which is a big lie and the people propagating it know that! It will cost Raila votes.Raila has not handled the issue well.He should play clips on what transpired on shitiezen e.g Hague itakuwa 2090,let us not be vague,the parliamentary debates etc.
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I hope Rao yoke on Nyanza is waning from what i have seen recently, I believe the election will bring our boy's back home, his opinion never matters as the most populist or power hungry thing under any circumstances is what he will do until he gets real power(even 1/2 bread was not enough), then he will forget populism and serve his communist ego. Therefore it is futile to discuss Raos intention without considering they depend on convenience. But our best boys must come back home, and with Rao influence waning, they will come back. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Much Know wrote:I hope Rao yoke on Nyanza is waning from what i have seen recently, I believe the election will bring our boy's back home, his opinion never matters as the most populist or power hungry thing under any circumstances is what he will do until he gets real power(even 1/2 bread was not enough), then he will forget populism and serve his communist ego. Therefore it is futile to discuss Raos intention without considering they depend on convenience. But our best boys must come back home, and with Rao influence waning, they will come back. That is laughable. 1. what does RAO influence on Nyanza have to do with the ICC process? 2. How will the waning of the influence bring the boys home? 3. How can the election outcome influence ICC to reverse its earlier decision on jurisdiction? If you mean that the boys will refuse to cooperate, just say so. 4. Do you understand the difference between a communist and a social democrat? Was Mwalimu Julius Nyerere a communist? Is Nelson Mandela a communist? You need to familiarize yourself with Mcarthism also know as scare mongering (which is what you are practising). I think its better to for one to say that they just dont like RAO than to look for flimsy unsubstantiated excuses in order to demonise him.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Raila's influence in Nyanza waning, another fallacy!!! If that was the case then many parties would have held primaries there, those defeated would have defected to other parties at the first opportunity!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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