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Degree vs Diploma debate
mozenrat
#21 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 3:08:25 PM
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kichwa_kibov wrote:
the fact that collymore has no degree is actually very shocking. so i guess qualifications are not that important in securing a top notch job in kenya



qualifications are not that important in securing a top notch job ANYWHERE not just in kenya.. Ability is what matters. Remember Collymore was a Vodafone Group Corporate Affairs Director in UK, Governance Director for the Africa Vodafone group and Purchasing Director in Vodafone UK long before he got the lowly CEO position in Kenya.
kichwa_kibov
#22 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 4:21:42 PM
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just wanted to know whether it is actually beneficial to pursue a degree or just be satisfied with the diploma i already have
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#23 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:03:21 PM
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Kichwa,you cannot compare a diploma to a degree.take the degree.take the medical field for example.in as much as clinical officers are important,we still need doctors same applies to advocates,engineers,architects,teachers,economists,etc.
radio
#24 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:01:44 PM
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kichwa_kibov wrote:
just wanted to know whether it is actually beneficial to pursue a degree or just be satisfied with the diploma i already have


Don't be fooled. Get the degree and more.
mawinder
#25 Posted : Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:12:09 PM
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radio,ditto.a degree,masters and even phd is very important.
Impunity
#26 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 1:35:24 PM
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kichwa_kibov wrote:
just wanted to know whether it is actually beneficial to pursue a degree or just be satisfied with the diploma i already have


If you want papers to use later as TP in tough times, then pursue a degree.

But if you want to be wealthy and lead a comfortable life, that diploma of yours is enough; now just do a biachara.
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newfarer
#27 Posted : Sunday, October 28, 2012 6:09:47 PM
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a degree is important in opening up your mind.it also gives you a competitve edge over dip holder when looking for a job.knowing people and luck (God's favor) also play a significant role in your career ladder.
a friend who has over 20 yrs of exp missed a prestigious job 2 months ago becos of lack of degree in his field. his other final competitor was a graduate.

if you can get the papers while young do so instead of waiting for regrets 20 yrs later
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sitaki.kujulikana
#28 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 12:41:49 PM
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if its a job one is looking for, get a masters
if it's a title you are looking for, go for a phd
if its money you want, get your o levels.
absco
#29 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 12:59:54 PM
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hahahahahahah
eco
#30 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 1:27:31 PM
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radio wrote:
kichwa_kibov wrote:
just wanted to know whether it is actually beneficial to pursue a degree or just be satisfied with the diploma i already have


Don't be fooled. Get the degree and more.


Ditto. "You owe it to yourself to be the best you can possibly be in life"
absco
#31 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 2:48:26 PM
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but the best in the world is not the starting level but the highest so the degree would work for me .
mozenrat
#32 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 2:51:44 PM
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kichwa_kibov wrote:
just wanted to know whether it is actually beneficial to pursue a degree or just be satisfied with the diploma i already have


As much as I have disdain for the degree, I would still advise you to get it... There are many employers - some of whom have taken part in this discussion - who hire (at least for entry level jobs) on the basis of papers. The point I'm making is that you should not assume that the degree is the one which will help you to rise through the ranks. Whatever field you choose to be in, please grow your competency in it as well as your people relations skills - that is what will get you ahead.
sitaki.kujulikana
#33 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 4:03:40 PM
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kichwa_kibov wrote:
just wanted to know whether it is actually beneficial to pursue a degree or just be satisfied with the diploma i already have


elaborate more on what you engage in for your income, did you inherit some handsome amount of cash, are in business are employed, if so which field are you in, and what are your future aspirations.

That will provide some good info for better advice.
Impunity
#34 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:53:25 AM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
if its a job one is looking for, get a masters
if it's a title you are looking for, go for a phd
if its money you want, get your o levels.


You couldn't have put it any better.
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#35 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 6:59:58 AM
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It's not about the papers.

Nothing makes you feel better than getting your O levels, a degree, next your masters and then your phd. I would advocate for everyone to do that. In one condition.

Don't get these papers for the sake of getting papers.

Life is about learning and implementing what you have learned.

That is why a guy with no education can start a business and succeed. Another guy gets a masters but can't get his butt out of his desk.

Learning and implementing is essential for success. Getting a degree is useless. Implementing what you learned getting a degree is what the human race expects of you.
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mawinder
#36 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 10:50:34 AM
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Impunity,ditto.numerous examples abound in tie forbes list and in kenya e.g tss,somaia,punjani,boss,pattni,devani,sajjad,karume,barngetuny,kirima etc.
jakai
#37 Posted : Saturday, January 19, 2013 10:30:36 AM
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Diploma holders tend to develop sharper technical competencies in their study areas than degree holders. People with degrees plus a professional or post-grad cert will tell you the professional or post-grad certs are what actually gets them to an interview and finally to the job. In fact, the trend is that those who are engaged in some community of practice or have attended powerful conferences within or outside the country qualify better and get the job done. But why is there a problem with degrees in Kenya? it is the quality of those graduates. Most of them cant even articulate anything in straight and good english. All they can do is sing all the subjects covered in the lecture rooms.
mukiha
#38 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:23:12 PM
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So which is the better pet: a cat or a dog?

Degree holders are better at some jobs and diploma holders are better at other jobs.

Asking which is the better qualification is like asking whether it is better to have daughter or a son! Bother are useless arguments!!!
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mukiha
#39 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:28:49 PM
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A technician knows how to tighten a nut while an engineer knows why the nut is tightened by the given amount and not more and not less.

If you employ a engineer and expect her to be tightening nuts all day, you will fail.

If you employ a technician and expect him to design nut tightening systems, you will also fail.

The bigger problem we face is that many employers don't actually know the difference between the two cadres of employees.
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#40 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:23:06 PM
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Would you want to be a technician or an engineer?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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