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Redeeming Kenyan Soccer
mzeiya411
#21 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:39:46 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Tuko na ujinga... each time we see a white face we think that atatusaidia... ati mbaka we had to get a 'Waiganjo' footballer from brazil


Haha.... The obsession with foreigners in Kenya is not healthy.
youcan'tstopusnow
#22 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:04:54 PM
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mzeiya411 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Tuko na ujinga... each time we see a white face we think that atatusaidia... ati mbaka we had to get a 'Waiganjo' footballer from brazil


Haha.... The obsession with foreigners in Kenya is not healthy.


How Hey became our manager still baffles me!
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
Alba
#23 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 5:39:34 AM
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richdad wrote:
Its sad that no one is willing to pinpoint the obviously visible BIG problem.

We need national representation in the national team.

One former Gor Mahia coach (Z Otieno) had the guts to field an entire team from his village as harambee stars. Am I still expected to watch or even wish that such a team wins?

I grew up watching mtaa games. WE could play as Kenyans, everyone included. The local teams were much better in skills and organization than I have ever seen in the national team.


You really have not pinpointed anything. There are no specifics. What do you mean by "we need national representation ?" we already have that.

By the way Zico was a very fair selector during his two games. Thats why he got two good result including denying Uganda a chance to qualify for AFCON
Kausha
#24 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 11:19:02 AM
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Football in a way is a mirror image of kenya's state of affairs in other spheres. The good thing about sports such as football unlike politics is that what you put in is what you get out. In politics we can cheat/gloss over it and pretend we are doing well yet we all know we are a failure. We are a country that really believes in offices papers, policies and manifestos and output of those of offices, papers, constitutions etc.

Look, we are being delusional and typical of kenyan behavior when lie that our problem at Harrambee stars is striking. I have watched most of Harrambee stars games and they are very poor in all spheres. basic ball control, in-game reading and intepretation, technical appreciation, planning, organization etc. We seem to play toof! twende all the time. The solution to all this is simple let's go and start again and keep everyone honest. Human and sports science has proven that the best time to teach a technique in sport is 4- 7 years age because a human's body is most agile at this time. Where do you find the highest number of 4 -7 yr olds - SCHOOL. FKF needs to roll out a development program that is centered on the school structure. Get as many teachers/games masters to be trained as FIFA coaches and FIFA referees. Work with ministry of education and School sports associations. Fund this consistently and mind you FIFA will give you all the money you need for such a blue print. The end result is that you will have so many 18yr olds at the end of the school cycle as accomplished and complete footballers well taught and coached and reffed. At club and national team level you only advance organization, mental capacity and temperament and BINGO you have Harrambee stars at world cup. I balk when I hear this nonsense of academies. The truth is that you will probably have 5 academies in the whole country which probably run during the 3 school holiday months a year and at some point most parents will insist on their kids spending time studying and not at these academies especially nearing final years - read disruption. Compare this with hundreds of thousands of schools and see what you would end up with. And by the way that is how Rugby got to where it is. Remember when Masiga and Obwaka played, the football development aligned to the school structure but was not immersed fully but the results of the half efforts were evident!
mzeiya411
#25 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 11:51:34 AM
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Kausha wrote:
Football in a way is a mirror image of kenya's state of affairs in other spheres. The good thing about sports such as football unlike politics is that what you put in is what you get out. In politics we can cheat/gloss over it and pretend we are doing well yet we all know we are a failure. We are a country that really believes in offices papers, policies and manifestos and output of those of offices, papers, constitutions etc.

Look, we are being delusional and typical of kenyan behavior when lie that our problem at Harrambee stars is striking. I have watched most of Harrambee stars games and they are very poor in all spheres. basic ball control, in-game reading and intepretation, technical appreciation, planning, organization etc. We seem to play toof! twende all the time. The solution to all this is simple let's go and start again and keep everyone honest. Human and sports science has proven that the best time to teach a technique in sport is 4- 7 years age because a human's body is most agile at this time. Where do you find the highest number of 4 -7 yr olds - SCHOOL. FKF needs to roll out a development program that is centered on the school structure. Get as many teachers/games masters to be trained as FIFA coaches and FIFA referees. Work with ministry of education and School sports associations. Fund this consistently and mind you FIFA will give you all the money you need for such a blue print. The end result is that you will have so many 18yr olds at the end of the school cycle as accomplished and complete footballers well taught and coached and reffed. At club and national team level you only advance organization, mental capacity and temperament and BINGO you have Harrambee stars at world cup. I balk when I hear this nonsense of academies. The truth is that you will probably have 5 academies in the whole country which probably run during the 3 school holiday months a year and at some point most parents will insist on their kids spending time studying and not at these academies especially nearing final years - read disruption. Compare this with hundreds of thousands of schools and see what you would end up with. And by the way that is how Rugby got to where it is. Remember when Masiga and Obwaka played, the football development aligned to the school structure but was not immersed fully but the results of the half efforts were evident!


Well said garbage in garbage out. But first can we get rid of Nyamweya and the rest of his thieving crew
accelriskconsult
#26 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 3:41:54 PM
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I managed my campus football team for 2 years. Based on our performances in friendlies against Harambee Stars, Gor Mahia, Mathare United, Kisumu Posta,Karuri Posta, Karuturi, Jericho All Stars, Ndumbuini Rising, Congo Boys, I can tell you that brains is what is missing from our footballers.

Our campus team would not be as fit as those teams but would be very competitive, and would score goals against any of the teams. The only teams that we didnt beat were Harambee Stars ( 3-1, we missed 3 penalties), Gor Mahia (2-1, Bramwell Mwololo sent 2 of our defenders to the sick bay) and Mathare United (1-0).

Even though our players would not be fit, we had ball posession and when we had chances our strikers took them. The bigger teams would beat us because they could muscle our strikers of the ball but in mid there was only one winner. All in all, I observed that the strikers, the likes of Maurice Sunguti were only good at blasting way ward balls and were never calm on the ball(Simeon Mulama and a young Mathare were excellent though!).

We faced tougher competition from KU,USIU, Chiromo etc compared to the league clubs. That was because brains were encountering brains. ION the reason Barca has done very well is that their players seem to be quite bright. Just review comments made by the likes of Messi, Fabregas, Pedro, Piue, Puyol and you will note that they are not the average footballer. I think FKF a part from under age competitions needs to look far and wide when selecting the nation team.
Kausha
#27 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 12:03:50 PM
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There you have it!!!...run development through school and the best footballers from school will include a good sprinkle of your brainy students...Remember JJ masiga, Obwaka, Dan Shikanda - all doctors.

Looking far and wide is not a solution. Because far and wide lacks boundaries implying no parameters to work within. In school you only need to go to the provincial and national school competitions or organize school based competitions and FKF and clubs will get the material they want because the best players will want to represent their schools regardless of their form in class. Using far and wide the good players in campus or in form 4 may not prioritize footy!
tycho
#28 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:22:35 PM
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accelriskconsult wrote:
I managed my campus football team for 2 years. Based on our performances in friendlies against Harambee Stars, Gor Mahia, Mathare United, Kisumu Posta,Karuri Posta, Karuturi, Jericho All Stars, Ndumbuini Rising, Congo Boys, I can tell you that brains is what is missing from our footballers.

Our campus team would not be as fit as those teams but would be very competitive, and would score goals against any of the teams. The only teams that we didnt beat were Harambee Stars ( 3-1, we missed 3 penalties), Gor Mahia (2-1, Bramwell Mwololo sent 2 of our defenders to the sick bay) and Mathare United (1-0).

Even though our players would not be fit, we had ball posession and when we had chances our strikers took them. The bigger teams would beat us because they could muscle our strikers of the ball but in mid there was only one winner. All in all, I observed that the strikers, the likes of Maurice Sunguti were only good at blasting way ward balls and were never calm on the ball(Simeon Mulama and a young Mathare were excellent though!).

We faced tougher competition from KU,USIU, Chiromo etc compared to the league clubs. That was because brains were encountering brains. ION the reason Barca has done very well is that their players seem to be quite bright. Just review comments made by the likes of Messi, Fabregas, Pedro, Piue, Puyol and you will note that they are not the average footballer. I think FKF a part from under age competitions needs to look far and wide when selecting the nation team.


'Intelligent' ball play is important, but as you have noted, it is not the only, or even a major determinant for victory.

If you think Mathare has had good players like Mulama, then you must give credit to the system of training and organization shown by MYSA which through a holistic approach has exposed the child from the slum to what may be called 'intelligence'.

I am part of an 'academy' in which children who don't necessarily perform well in school are exposed to a 'progressive' culture that encourages confidence and exposure to a wide range of activities, and are given what you may call coaching in intelligent ball play, and the results are impressive!

So even the coaching system and quality are important.

All these factors go to the cultural environment of our organizations, and not so much on individual aptitudes.

accelriskconsult
#29 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:07:10 PM
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tycho wrote:
accelriskconsult wrote:
I managed my campus football team for 2 years. Based on our performances in friendlies against Harambee Stars, Gor Mahia, Mathare United, Kisumu Posta,Karuri Posta, Karuturi, Jericho All Stars, Ndumbuini Rising, Congo Boys, I can tell you that brains is what is missing from our footballers.

Our campus team would not be as fit as those teams but would be very competitive, and would score goals against any of the teams. The only teams that we didnt beat were Harambee Stars ( 3-1, we missed 3 penalties), Gor Mahia (2-1, Bramwell Mwololo sent 2 of our defenders to the sick bay) and Mathare United (1-0).

Even though our players would not be fit, we had ball posession and when we had chances our strikers took them. The bigger teams would beat us because they could muscle our strikers of the ball but in mid there was only one winner. All in all, I observed that the strikers, the likes of Maurice Sunguti were only good at blasting way ward balls and were never calm on the ball(Simeon Mulama and a young Mathare were excellent though!).

We faced tougher competition from KU,USIU, Chiromo etc compared to the league clubs. That was because brains were encountering brains. ION the reason Barca has done very well is that their players seem to be quite bright. Just review comments made by the likes of Messi, Fabregas, Pedro, Piue, Puyol and you will note that they are not the average footballer. I think FKF a part from under age competitions needs to look far and wide when selecting the nation team.


'Intelligent' ball play is important, but as you have noted, it is not the only, or even a major determinant for victory.

If you think Mathare has had good players like Mulama, then you must give credit to the system of training and organization shown by MYSA which through a holistic approach has exposed the child from the slum to what may be called 'intelligence'.

I am part of an 'academy' in which children who don't necessarily perform well in school are exposed to a 'progressive' culture that encourages confidence and exposure to a wide range of activities, and are given what you may call coaching in intelligent ball play, and the results are impressive!

So even the coaching system and quality are important.

All these factors go to the cultural environment of our organizations, and not so much on individual aptitudes.




Agreed. In fact I have always argued that decision making in sports is an indicator of aptitude.

Some players may not be book smart but their skills on the pitch suggest that they could do very well in other fields including business.

The problem with the current models for measuring intelligence is that many are books oriented.

Spain started their revolution by developing a philosphy on how soccer should be played, training elementary school sports teachers on the philosophy and technique, then transferred it up their football pyramid. The result is todays tiki taka. When Spain were bundled out of the 98 world cup (including defeats against the African flair of Nigeria), the model was almost abandoned. But persistency eventually paid off.
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