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B.Timer wrote:Liv wrote:simonkabz wrote:Just a thought, will the cases of the two run concurrently? if not, the suspects may rule the country in turns, each taking short stints. ........we are royally screwed to borrow a phrase. Hi Simon,
Your comment here is a good sign.... you can now start seeing the possibilities.
The 2 ICC cases will be determined by the same set of judges. WSR case is the first one. It will start on 10th April. On 10th April UMK does not need to be there.
On 11th April 2013, UMK case will start. WSR does not have to be in the hague on 11th April 2013.
After 10th and 11th other dates will be set on how the cases will continue. But the dates will be different for each case as the judges are the same for the 2 cases.
Don't even waste brain cell imagining this scenario, they will NOT attend, and NOTHING BIG sijui sanctions will happen, ask USA or Israel.
Purely for purposes of debate, lets tag along with this line of thought! The hearing dates are spread to accommodate the suspects schedules. Then come October 2013, the cases are determined that both are guilty! I guess the jail term will be put on hold till they .... well, I don't know when, maybe the Court will ask them when they intend to serve their jail terms!! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Do you think people who say we should leave the ICC or perhaps what happened to Sudan is no big deal etc etc can be termed sycophants? I mean really, we are willing to change global politics and the future of 40m+ Kenyans for 2 guys? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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KulaRaha wrote:Do you think people who say we should leave the ICC or perhaps what happened to Sudan is no big deal etc etc can be termed sycophants?
I mean really, we are willing to change global politics and the future of 40m+ Kenyans for 2 guys? The Kenyans you are talking about are the ones choosing through an election(referendum), if Kenya was governed by your opinion i would be concerned for the sycophants. It is no big deal, ICC will just refer the cases back quickly and we shall continue where we left, how can i simplify this issue more? Ras Kienyeji Man
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simonkabz wrote:harrydre wrote:al bashir refused to cooperate and Sudan is still kicking. no big deal icc would hate to be snobbed by everyone so they going to flex the rules in case uhuruto win It's such careless statements that make me sick. List of failed states from the bottom 1. Somalia 2. DRC 3. Sudan 4. South Sudan 5. Chad 6. Zimbabwe. Sudan still kicking?? You will be happy if we join them? Guys have forgoten that Al Bashir's Jet did a U turn after leaving the airport in Tehran with Sudanese and Chinese Officials waiting for his plane in Beijing. I can just imagine him and his aides studying a big detailed map of the BEST route to follow from Tehran to Beijing and back so that no one can snatch him from the air. definately no laughing matter. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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simonkabz wrote:Just a thought, will the cases of the two run concurrently? if not, the suspects may rule the country in turns, each taking short stints. ........we are royally screwed to borrow a phrase. wait until all the names are fully in iebc's duly accepted nominated's register. Thats when you will love this 2013 campaigns. the likes of mcdoba i understand are stiill on gloves, anxious that Uhuruto might expose their underbelly again like did with mdvd unveiling on 4dec.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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simonkabz wrote:harrydre wrote:al bashir refused to cooperate and Sudan is still kicking. no big deal icc would hate to be snobbed by everyone so they going to flex the rules in case uhuruto win It's such careless statements that make me sick. List of failed states from the bottom 1. Somalia 2. DRC 3. Sudan 4. South Sudan 5. Chad 6. Zimbabwe. Sudan still kicking?? You will be happy if we join them? states don't just become failed states it's the external influence that makes sure they fail. we need to be self reliant and avoid being dictated what we ought or not ought to do!!You are the type that believe we can't survive without aid and begging. All that is missing with the states you list above is good governance and partners, they have the resources to see them grow and expand their economies. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Much Know wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Do you think people who say we should leave the ICC or perhaps what happened to Sudan is no big deal etc etc can be termed sycophants?
I mean really, we are willing to change global politics and the future of 40m+ Kenyans for 2 guys? The Kenyans you are talking about are the ones choosing through an election(referendum), if Kenya was governed by your opinion i would be concerned for the sycophants. It is no big deal, ICC will just refer the cases back quickly and we shall continue where we left, how can i simplify this issue more? I get you @Much Know. And your words have shown me a very sad picture. But I am consoled by the fact that if I respect and use the laws, I am safe. And all who do this are safe. But beware the wrath of justice! By severing ties with the ICC we will be removing ourselves from present ideas of justice that respect global intervention and hence our very own laws. You are not offering government, you are destroying it. That is, we are destroying ourselves and everything we want to protect. Alas, it is not the sanctions that we must fear like we must fear justice! But as you have implied, the path has already been chosen, and taken.
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tycho wrote:Much Know wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Do you think people who say we should leave the ICC or perhaps what happened to Sudan is no big deal etc etc can be termed sycophants?
I mean really, we are willing to change global politics and the future of 40m+ Kenyans for 2 guys? The Kenyans you are talking about are the ones choosing through an election(referendum), if Kenya was governed by your opinion i would be concerned for the sycophants. It is no big deal, ICC will just refer the cases back quickly and we shall continue where we left, how can i simplify this issue more? I get you @Much Know. And your words have shown me a very sad picture. But I am consoled by the fact that if I respect and use the laws, I am safe. And all who do this are safe. But beware the wrath of justice! By severing ties with the ICC we will be removing ourselves from present ideas of justice that respect global intervention and hence our very own laws.You are not offering government, you are destroying it. That is, we are destroying ourselves and everything we want to protect. Alas, it is not the sanctions that we must fear like we must fear justice! But as you have implied, the path has already been chosen, and taken. and what exactly are these ideas? justice must not just be served but appear to be served. By leaving out Obako and pamba who were the two ring leaders from the list of suspects, what is ICC trying to tell us? or do we look like monkies?? i.am.back!!!!
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harrydre wrote:tycho wrote:Much Know wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Do you think people who say we should leave the ICC or perhaps what happened to Sudan is no big deal etc etc can be termed sycophants?
I mean really, we are willing to change global politics and the future of 40m+ Kenyans for 2 guys? The Kenyans you are talking about are the ones choosing through an election(referendum), if Kenya was governed by your opinion i would be concerned for the sycophants. It is no big deal, ICC will just refer the cases back quickly and we shall continue where we left, how can i simplify this issue more? I get you @Much Know. And your words have shown me a very sad picture. But I am consoled by the fact that if I respect and use the laws, I am safe. And all who do this are safe. But beware the wrath of justice! By severing ties with the ICC we will be removing ourselves from present ideas of justice that respect global intervention and hence our very own laws.You are not offering government, you are destroying it. That is, we are destroying ourselves and everything we want to protect. Alas, it is not the sanctions that we must fear like we must fear justice! But as you have implied, the path has already been chosen, and taken. and what exactly are these ideas? justice must not just be served but appear to be served. By leaving out Obako and pamba who were the two ring leaders from the list of suspects, what is ICC trying to tell us? or do we look like monkies?? We want to handle this case, our NEW style, under the new constitution. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Much Know wrote:harrydre wrote:tycho wrote:Much Know wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Do you think people who say we should leave the ICC or perhaps what happened to Sudan is no big deal etc etc can be termed sycophants?
I mean really, we are willing to change global politics and the future of 40m+ Kenyans for 2 guys? The Kenyans you are talking about are the ones choosing through an election(referendum), if Kenya was governed by your opinion i would be concerned for the sycophants. It is no big deal, ICC will just refer the cases back quickly and we shall continue where we left, how can i simplify this issue more? I get you @Much Know. And your words have shown me a very sad picture. But I am consoled by the fact that if I respect and use the laws, I am safe. And all who do this are safe. But beware the wrath of justice! By severing ties with the ICC we will be removing ourselves from present ideas of justice that respect global intervention and hence our very own laws.You are not offering government, you are destroying it. That is, we are destroying ourselves and everything we want to protect. Alas, it is not the sanctions that we must fear like we must fear justice! But as you have implied, the path has already been chosen, and taken. and what exactly are these ideas? justice must not just be served but appear to be served. By leaving out Obako and pamba who were the two ring leaders from the list of suspects, what is ICC trying to tell us? or do we look like monkies?? We want to handle this case, our NEW style, under the new constitution. One idea of justice is that though humans and institutions are fallible the natural laws of justice are not, and the institutions of justice should be revered. @Much Know, true, we need to participate in the execution of justice in our way. But we should remember that there can be no justice in exclusion. Please, let us avoid this path!
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