Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Politics
»
Swearing in of the new President
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/28/2006 Posts: 1,799
|
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
|
quicksand wrote:vinii wrote:who would be stupid to go to Hague after winning an election - in Africa ? Hizo ni stori So I have been saying ....Assuming Jubilee win: 1) UHURUTO will refuse to show at the Hague, the ICC will issue a warrant of arrest, UHURUTO will disregard the warrant,..high pitched diplomatic noises and snobbery will follow, diplomats from the US and UK will be sent to meet PORK,...to no fruition, talk of sanctions will start, an ultimatum and schedule of sanction implementation follows,.. somebody will move to impeach, PORK will buy off parliament and or senate by drowning the constitution and paying MPs Kshs 3.5 million a month.  We are going to be royally screwed IMHO. 2) To play devil's advocate,....Or who knows, they attend the hearing, and be holed up there for weeks on end, somebody moves for removal of PORK for physical incapacity to handle business by way of absence. UHURUTO see this, and to mitigate, see #1 above. Now bring on the stones Doomsday writers!!! .... you are no better than those who were shouting the world will end on 21 Dec 2012...and digging bunkers to be save.
UMK and WSR will travel to the Hague as President and deputy President after being sworn in on 9th April 2013 if there is no runoff.
They will make applications on either to bring the case back to Kenya or have it postponed. This will be argued between their lawyers and the prosecutors and the judges will make a decision. If the judges make a decision to go ahead and proceed with the cases, this process will take start and the cases will be determined.
However given a situation where they are elected by Kenyans, their treatment by the court and international community will be different from how they will be treated as ordinary citizens.
Ocampo decided not to include Kibaki and Raila in the suspects because that would have resulted in a crisis in the governing of Kenya.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
|
Liv wrote:KulaRaha wrote:xyzee wrote:Liv wrote:There is a possibility that even if Jubilee wins the presidential poll .... UMK and WSR will go the to Hague on 10th and 11th April before they are sworn in as president and deputy president. Who will govern incase of such a situation? What if bail is denied? Will they be sworn in in the cells? The ICC cannot just decide to have the suspects arrested on 10th and 11th April. The procedure requires the Prosecutor to make an application for the arrest warrants...the merits and demerits of this application will be argued in court between the prosecutor and the advocates of the suspects...and then the judges will make a decision.... to issue the warrants or not.
The prosecutor has not so far contemplated to apply for any arrests for the Kenyan case because that is normally done when the suspects fail to comply with the directives of the court.
Please do your research on how the ICC operates...so that you are not misguided. Dont get upset, I'm just asking hypothetical questions. So either they attend and be sworn in in Europe, or the swearing in is delayed, or they refuse to attend. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
|
Liv wrote:quicksand wrote:vinii wrote:who would be stupid to go to Hague after winning an election - in Africa ? Hizo ni stori So I have been saying ....Assuming Jubilee win: 1) UHURUTO will refuse to show at the Hague, the ICC will issue a warrant of arrest, UHURUTO will disregard the warrant,..high pitched diplomatic noises and snobbery will follow, diplomats from the US and UK will be sent to meet PORK,...to no fruition, talk of sanctions will start, an ultimatum and schedule of sanction implementation follows,.. somebody will move to impeach, PORK will buy off parliament and or senate by drowning the constitution and paying MPs Kshs 3.5 million a month. We are going to be royally screwed IMHO. 2) To play devil's advocate,....Or who knows, they attend the hearing, and be holed up there for weeks on end, somebody moves for removal of PORK for physical incapacity to handle business by way of absence. UHURUTO see this, and to mitigate, see #1 above. Now bring on the stones Doomsday writers!!! .... you are no better than those who were shouting the world will end on 21 Dec 2012...and digging bunkers to be save.
UMK and WSR will travel to the Hague as President and deputy President after being sworn in on 9th April 2013 if there is no runoff.
They will make applications on either to bring the case back to Kenya or have it postponed. This will be argued between their lawyers and the prosecutors and the judges will make a decision. If the judges make a decision to go ahead and proceed with the cases, this process will take start and the cases will be determined.
However given a situation where they are elected by Kenyans, their treatment by the court and international community will be different from how they will be treated as ordinary citizens.
Ocampo decided not to include Kibaki and Raila in the suspects because that would have resulted in a crisis in the governing of Kenya. You are naive to think that the ICC can postpone a case (on what legal grounds?) or send it back to Kenya's judiciary(on what legal grounds?). Is there a precedent for this? No. Doing this would set a precedent that is indefensible morally and also from a point of law ...ICC is keen not to be seen as a joke. If they did this they lose the authority to prosecute anyone. It would be suicide for the ICC. Kenya took the case to ICC, the ICC did not independently decide to prosecute it, with members of parliament waxing lyrically on camera "Lets not be vague, lets go to the Hague". So ruling out these 2 possibilities, you would have us trust on the benevolence of these 2 to attend court and stick with the process to the end, and not expect turmoil back home regarding day to day governance, of which one of the consequences of said turmoil is likely to be an attempted removal ..? You have buried your head deep in the sand. It will not be business as usual. We don't need this.
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/9/2009 Posts: 1,262
|
It is clear that it will not be business as usual whether UHURUTO cooperate or not...... I still don't understand how anyone wants any of these 2 anywhere near storehouse?
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/11/2009 Posts: 1,223
|
Ukiamka asubuhi ICC, ukilala jioni ICC! You got only one vote against 14million other voters. Prepare for any eventuality. wacha stress mob. History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
|
Would be just and fair if the supreme court impeded on the ICC or vice versa?
If the answer is 'no', then Uhuru and Ruto have no legal reason to be on the ballot paper. Not because they are guilty or below our ethical qualifications, but because the courts shouldn't contradict each other, or seem to encourage contradiction.
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
|
BGL wrote:Ukiamka asubuhi ICC, ukilala jioni ICC!
You got only one vote against 14million other voters.
Prepare for any eventuality. wacha stress mob. You @BGL,...don't even have that one vote  ..may be the logic of that choice is not having to worry about things like the ICC and UHURUTO defying it. Fence sitting has its advantages.
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/1/2008 Posts: 1,098
|
Liv wrote:quicksand wrote:vinii wrote:who would be stupid to go to Hague after winning an election - in Africa ? Hizo ni stori So I have been saying ....Assuming Jubilee win: 1) UHURUTO will refuse to show at the Hague, the ICC will issue a warrant of arrest, UHURUTO will disregard the warrant,..high pitched diplomatic noises and snobbery will follow, diplomats from the US and UK will be sent to meet PORK,...to no fruition, talk of sanctions will start, an ultimatum and schedule of sanction implementation follows,.. somebody will move to impeach, PORK will buy off parliament and or senate by drowning the constitution and paying MPs Kshs 3.5 million a month. We are going to be royally screwed IMHO. 2) To play devil's advocate,....Or who knows, they attend the hearing, and be holed up there for weeks on end, somebody moves for removal of PORK for physical incapacity to handle business by way of absence. UHURUTO see this, and to mitigate, see #1 above. Now bring on the stones Doomsday writers!!! .... you are no better than those who were shouting the world will end on 21 Dec 2012...and digging bunkers to be save.
UMK and WSR will travel to the Hague as President and deputy President after being sworn in on 9th April 2013 if there is no runoff.
They will make applications on either to bring the case back to Kenya or have it postponed. This will be argued between their lawyers and the prosecutors and the judges will make a decision. If the judges make a decision to go ahead and proceed with the cases, this process will take start and the cases will be determined.
However given a situation where they are elected by Kenyans, their treatment by the court and international community will be different from how they will be treated as ordinary citizens.
Ocampo decided not to include Kibaki and Raila in the suspects because that would have resulted in a crisis in the governing of Kenya. Ditto!
|
|
|
Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
|
@Liv, why not type your comments in colour black?
|
|
|
Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Politics
»
Swearing in of the new President
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
|