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Redeeming Kenyan Soccer
tycho
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:11:36 AM
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After our team's loss over the weekend, I have heard no one speak about the match in both my offline and soccer crazy world, and in wazua.

So I hesitantly went to nation news.

I wasn't all together surprised to find Nyamweya lamenting about a lack of quality strikers. In Kenya, the blame is always on someone else.

This assertion by the FKF is in apparent contradiction to an answer given to me by a friend of mine who is now playing in the first division after spending some time in the premier league. The player had no kind words on the FKF and the entire soccer system.

I have been playing soccer, and though not a gifted player I can't say I am not skilled enough to know a thing or two about soccer, particularly when it comes to scoring goals.

Soccer is a game of combining ideas and skills and executing them with confidence.

Apparently all these are lacking in our team, and have rarely been there. Why?

I have 3 possible reasons for this:

1. We are too oriented to finding personal wealth and fame.

2. We don't consider failure as a building block for future success and have no energy to handle it.

3. The Kenyan nation in general offers an unworkable template for her organizations.

My player friend recommended that among other redemptive measures we should have more under 16 tournaments. This requires local organization and funding, and wider media coverage.

This may bring some change, but what are your thoughts?
alma
#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:20:16 AM
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Maybe not a fkl issue but tycho I would be interested in knowing your opinion on point number 3

3. The Kenyan nation in general offers an unworkable template for her organizations.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 10:53:51 AM
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I have sadly concluded that we're not a footballing nation. We love football and our strength is in spectating and not playing.

It is time we admitted the truth and push the resources to other sports with potential like rugby, athletics, volleyball, swimming, boxing, motor race etc.

We need to neglect soccer and let it build itself up from the ground again. That's the way to redeem it.

BBI will solve it
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tycho
#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 11:03:00 AM
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alma wrote:
Maybe not a fkl issue but tycho I would be interested in knowing your opinion on point number 3

3. The Kenyan nation in general offers an unworkable template for her organizations.


@Alma, Kenya, is a system that should ideally be working for Kenyans first and even more than it should work for non Kenyans.

But this isn't and hasn't been the case since Kenya began. Let us take 3 examples.

1. Corruption has risen gradually since independence, and shows no signs of decreasing. Corruption here means the lowering of expectations of receiving specified inputs or participating in processes that improve both the individual and the system alike. Gradually, laws are losing importance.

2. Kenyan organizations exhibit relatively lower performance both economically and socially. Currently most organizations are in the Jua Kali and non profit making sectors.

3. The Kenyan nation suffers from imbalances in trade and current account, even despite increases in petroleum and electricity consumption, and increased manufacturing and construction activity.

Clearly most of our activity doesn't benefit us.

Just look at the brain and brawn drain we have been experiencing? Even mothers are praying for their daughters to get wazungu men!
tycho
#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 11:05:56 AM
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2012 wrote:
I have sadly concluded that we're not a footballing nation. We love football and our strength is in spectating and not playing.

It is time we admitted the truth and push the resources to other sports with potential like rugby, athletics, volleyball, swimming, boxing, motor race etc.

We need to neglect soccer and let it build itself up from the ground again. That's the way to redeem it.


@2012, have we shown a positive trend in these other sports? So far, I haven't seen one.
maka
#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 12:04:02 PM
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2012 wrote:
I have sadly concluded that we're not a footballing nation. We love football and our strength is in spectating and not playing.

It is time we admitted the truth and push the resources to other sports with potential like rugby, athletics, volleyball, swimming, boxing, motor race etc.

We need to neglect soccer and let it build itself up from the ground again. That's the way to redeem it.

...@2012 i tend to disagree we have super footballing talent in this country just take some time and go watch the school ball games from provi to nationals there are so many players who can do kenya proud,i grew up watching a tourna called weche cup at madaraka estate i waz alwayz mesmerised by the skills exhibited from guyz from langata,mada,south c,nrb west etc as usual this players dint go anywea since there is no structure for the youth,they ended up being walevi and idlers in the estate....that is so sad...like @tychos pal said lets have an under 21,under 18,under 16...football structures,well run pro leagues where proper coaches are employed to train the young lads...just imagine akina fab,messi,iniesta and co have been in an academy since a tender age of 7 thereabout kwanini wasikuwae wanoma this guys know basically everythn about modern football...now compare them to our players who train for around 2hrz a day frm the age of 18 upwards,basic skills like ball control havent been instilled...translates to hogwash football...with the likes of sam nyamweya who puts the image of his face on a national game ticket ati for security purpose we arent going anywea,bure kabisa.nkt
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kollabo
#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 12:07:19 PM
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Have you been to the places that nurture so called talent in Kenya? Jericho Lumumba grounds or Pumwani? You'll struggle to spot the ball just as we did on sunday.
2012
#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 12:14:19 PM
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tycho wrote:
@2012, have we shown a positive trend in these other sports? So far, I haven't seen one.


I think we have, but they are heavily underfunded unlike our worst performing sport, soccer.


maka wrote:
..@2012 i tend to disagree we have super footballing talent in this country just take some time and go watch the school ball games from provi to nationals there are so many players who can do kenya proud,


We have been in this cycle for a long time now, our ranking in the world is laughable. I think we took soccer for granted because all boys play and love soccer. We should dismantle all these organisations and cut funding and let it go through a rebirth.
The players are not happy, the coaches are not happy, the officials are not happy, the fans are not happy. So now?
In marketing they have this curve that brands go through; introduction, growth, maturity, decline, death. Like the juice Tree Top, we're at death and we need to let football re-invent itself.

BBI will solve it
:)
Njung'e
#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 4:02:58 PM
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We will be talking about the state of our soccer until kingdom comes unless we go the way of youth academies and also leave soccer adminstartion to managers rather politicians.I say this with a heavy heart.After the match,one of the officials interviewed was a Mr. Mukolwe (don't know what he is in FKF).Surprised i was.I know the guy as a retired former unionist and a wheel-loader operator.I know him many years and i don't remember him being an official even from his village......what do we expect then?
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 4:09:03 PM
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2012 wrote:
tycho wrote:
@2012, have we shown a positive trend in these other sports? So far, I haven't seen one.


I think we have, but they are heavily underfunded unlike our worst performing sport, soccer.


maka wrote:
..@2012 i tend to disagree we have super footballing talent in this country just take some time and go watch the school ball games from provi to nationals there are so many players who can do kenya proud,


We have been in this cycle for a long time now, our ranking in the world is laughable. I think we took soccer for granted because all boys play and love soccer. We should dismantle all these organisations and cut funding and let it go through a rebirth.
The players are not happy, the coaches are not happy, the officials are not happy, the fans are not happy. So now?
In marketing they have this curve that brands go through; introduction, growth, maturity, decline, death. Like the juice Tree Top, we're at death and we need to let football re-invent itself.




My two cents:

1. Corruption is pandemic. Yes. It starts at FIFA all the way to FKL.... no easy way out, we must choose the hard way get FIFA ban by banding out the FKL asap.

2. Football administration i.e FKL (whatever the name) is not a the lowest levels enough, I recall the days I had a KFF card as a player at District league level, this is no longer the case.

3. Sporting facilities have been "grabbed" look at the social halls, eastliegh, Huruma, Majengo, Pumwani, Muthurwa etc where great boxers were made. All gone. Solution: Invest in sports infrastructure and their management.

4. Continue as if nothing is going wrong. Pamper the likes of Sam Nyamweya and company (including other sports athletics, boxing, lately cricket maybe exclude rugby) instead of sending them where they belong. Jail.
Alba
#11 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 4:21:00 AM
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Some good points raised on this thread. It is mainly the officials who are ruining football. They have been doing this for decades now.
See the article below:

http://kenyapage.net/commentary/?p=1097
masukuma
#12 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 6:33:19 AM
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2012 wrote:
I have sadly concluded that we're not a footballing nation. We love football and our strength is in spectating and not playing.

It is time we admitted the truth and push the resources to other sports with potential like rugby, athletics, volleyball, swimming, boxing, motor race etc.

We need to neglect soccer and let it build itself up from the ground again. That's the way to redeem it.


its time we admitted that perhaps we may conquer the world through sports like cricket - been to the world cup twice and to the quarters of the world cup once. rather than our preoccupation - soccer! Let's not waste our emotions on this thing... WE ARE GOING NO WHERE.

We are stooping too low, blaming everything for us NOT SCORING from towels behind goalkeepers to Sam Nyamwea. Let's just accept the blatant truth that has been knocking on our door for years now.... WE ARE NOT A FOOTBALLING NATION IN THE SAME WAY WE ARE NOT A SKIING NATION!
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tycho
#13 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:03:15 AM
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It's not a sport that conquers the world, it's the spirit of the sportsmen and women and the people behind them.

There was a time I couldn't imagine the Japs winning long distance races.
masukuma
#14 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:15:54 AM
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tycho wrote:
It's not a sport that conquers the world, it's the spirit of the sportsmen and women and the people behind them.

There was a time I couldn't imagine the Japs winning long distance races.

but japs are much more a running nation than we are.... what we have here is a genetic advantage and environmentally predisposed to running long races. In certain sports (sprinting for example). Genes come into play. Do you know only four people from non west african origin have ever run sub 10s in 100 meters (forget that polish guy).
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#15 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:23:33 AM
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Have we tried hard enough before we give up? Mind you a good working soccer industry is good not just for our image and national pride but for the economy. I thought things were looking up with the increase in interest in club soccer.
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#16 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:48:29 AM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
It's not a sport that conquers the world, it's the spirit of the sportsmen and women and the people behind them.

There was a time I couldn't imagine the Japs winning long distance races.

but japs are much more a running nation than we are.... what we have here is a genetic advantage and environmentally predisposed to running long races. In certain sports (sprinting for example). Genes come into play. Do you know only four people from non west african origin have ever run sub 10s in 100 meters (forget that polish guy).


The effects of gene-environment interplay can't be ignored.

For us, where do we start our quest for excellence? Isn't it from loving what we do and organizing ourselves intelligently and efficiently?

Alba
#17 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:47:11 AM
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Nyamweya is directly responsible for Kenya's loss to Burundi. Hiring Michel when we clearly could not afford him was plain stupid especially since FKF is flat broke. . It makes you wonder whether Nyamweya is mentally retarded. So Michel left in a huff and Nandwa was hired as a stop gap maeasure. This constant changing of coaches and lack of stability is one reason Kenya fails. Kenya has had 10 coaching changes over the past 5 years. You cant win with such instability.

The problem however is much deeper than Nyamweya. Kenya has been mismanged since the 1990s. It has been one lousy FKF chairman after another.

With regard to Kenya's goals, there is no reason we should give up on football. We can forget being a football power. But Kenya should at least aim for modest success such as winning the CECAFA cup at least once every 3 years. Qualifying for Africa cup of nations at least twice a decade. Give Kenyans something to cheer. It used to happen in the 1980s with semi decent management. The era of FIFA corruption has been very detrimental to Kenya football.
richdad
#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:04:19 AM
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Its sad that no one is willing to pinpoint the obviously visible BIG problem.

We need national representation in the national team.

One former Gor Mahia coach (Z Otieno) had the guts to field an entire team from his village as harambee stars. Am I still expected to watch or even wish that such a team wins?

I grew up watching mtaa games. WE could play as Kenyans, everyone included. The local teams were much better in skills and organization than I have ever seen in the national team.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:07:39 AM
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richdad wrote:
Its sad that no one is willing to pinpoint the obviously visible BIG problem.

We need national representation in the national team.

One former Gor Mahia coach (Z Otieno) had the guts to field an entire team from his village as harambee stars. Am I still expected to watch or even wish that such a team wins?

I grew up watching mtaa games. WE could play as Kenyans, everyone included. The local teams were much better in skills and organization than I have ever seen in the national team.

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masukuma
#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:11:24 AM
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Tuko na ujinga... each time we see a white face we think that atatusaidia... ati mbaka we had to get a 'Waiganjo' footballer from brazil
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