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where did HIV/AIDS really come from?
josiah33
#11 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2013 6:21:30 PM
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Some people say HIV/AIDS is a hoax. HERE
Drunkard
#12 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2013 7:16:30 PM
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I don't think the origin of HIV/AID matters, the question should be, why did it spread so fast in Africa more than anywhere else? Is it because we are irresponsible sexually?
BGL
#13 Posted : Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:29:04 AM
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josiah33 wrote:
Some people say HIV/AIDS is a hoax. HERE


In this day and age sisemi kitu!


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BGL
#14 Posted : Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:40:14 AM
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Drunkard wrote:
I don't think the origin of HIV/AID matters, the question should be, why did it spread so fast in Africa more than anywhere else? Is it because we are irresponsible sexually?


some useful past discussions here > http://wazua.co.ke/forum...sts&t=16449&p=2

First it originated in Africa from Chimps and secondly with a collapsed or non existent health care system patients are unable to control viral replication and lastly we have a genetic disadvantage (we have no mutation on the CCR5 gene).
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sentinel prime
#15 Posted : Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:18:05 PM
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cant seem to find the article...but virus was here for millennia...there were accounts in haiti and congo of people wasting away and dying well before the 19th century probably due to blood to blood contact with monkeys.

in the 1920s there was a wide gay community and a steward(named patient zero) was linked to the spread throughout the gay community.The virus was not so virulent back then and heterosexual transmission was rare.It was actually called a gay disease....it stayed largely unnoticed until the 80s when it was identified.

its amazing the virus became prominent as the cure for syphilis ( penicilin) was discoverd.

in the old days syphilis was like AIDS...incurable and lethal...with surprisingly same symptoms and length of infection(15+ yrs)

imagine if they get a cure for AIDS...
sentinel prime
#16 Posted : Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:21:02 PM
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did you know the europeans who survived the plague passed on the genes to their descendants and are immune to hiv?
BGL
#17 Posted : Saturday, January 05, 2013 7:43:37 PM
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sentinel prime wrote:
did you know the europeans who survived the plague passed on the genes to their descendants and are immune to hiv?


Very true
https://www.eeb.ucla.edu...iNovembreMicInf2005.pdf

"Although the origin of the mutation is obscure, it appears to have suddenly become relatively common among white Europeans about 700 years ago. That increase suggests that something must have occurred about that time to greatly favor the survival of people carrying the mutation."
What biological catastrophe decimated Europe 700 years ago? The Black Death. One-quarter to one-third of the Europeans succumbed between 1347 and 1350. The Black Death strongly modified the European gene pool, increasing the frequency of CCR5-delta 32. This mutation may not have had any direct effect on the plague itself. It may just be a quirk of fate that the survivors of the Black Death had a higher frequency of the CCR5-delta 32 mutation, and it is doubly quirky that the mutation confers a resistance to AIDS, which is a recent human affliction.

About 10% of whites of European origin now carry the CCR5-delta 32 mutation. The incidence is only 2% in central Asia. The mutation is completely absent among East Asians, Africans, and American Indians.

However, i also have to say that CXCR4 utilizing strains can still infect patients despite CCR5 mutations. Subtype D prevalent in Kenya utilizes CXCR4 frequently.

Do you also know that African will also be the first to adapt to living with the HIV? My studies on subtype C are pointing to that direction. Infact the reason why subtype C has spread so fast is because this subtype is less aggressive in vitro and in vivo and is able to propagate further due to invisibility. This are some of the lessons we learn when we compare HIV-1 and HIV-2 via epidemiological studies.


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youcan'tstopusnow
#18 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 4:15:44 PM
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The origins of HIV can be
traced back millions
rather than tens of
thousands of years,
research suggests.
HIV, which causes AIDS,
emerged in humans in the
20th Century, but scientists
have long known that similar
viruses in monkeys and apes
have existed for much
longer.
http://bbc.co.uk/news/sc...ce-environment-21189141
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Prezz
#19 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 4:30:17 PM
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kwa kupenda lungula
youcan'tstopusnow
#20 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 4:53:48 PM
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But epidemics of which
disease? Researchers claimed
this week that plague helped
boost our immunity to HIV,
but rival teams are arguing
that the credit should go to
smallpox.
http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=1635
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