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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Firstly, pls leave your tribal affiliations at the door. This is purely logical. In these elections, there can only be 1 outcome. Either: 1. Raila wins. He becomes President. Him and his cronies steal from Kenyans. or 2. Uhuru wins. He becomes President. Him and his cronies steal from Kenyans. Logically, either winner is bad for Kenya. Comments? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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MmmmmmHH!!!.....One of them will become President tupende tusipende....and now that we know they will steal,maybe we should petition and beg them not to when they ascend to the throne  ...what am i saying  . Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/11/2009 Posts: 1,223
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Here at wazua (1%) majority will vote with their conscience and others due to tribal influence (which is unfortunate). A minority will not vote (like the author) for whatever reason(s). Outside of wazua (99% of the voters) and that is where the votes are. People who are told jump and they ask how high not why. Have you ever asked yourself why one politician has been saying the kind of governor Kibera-Mathare residents want is not the kind of governor a Muthaiga-Karen resident would prefer. Ethnic groups: Kenya Kikuyu 22%, Luhya 14%, Luo 13%, Kalenjin 12%, Kamba 11%, Kisii 6%, Meru 6%, other African 15%, non-African (Asian, European, and Arab) 1% sasa tafakari hayo. History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/9/2009 Posts: 1,262
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KulaRaha wrote:Firstly, pls leave your tribal affiliations at the door. This is purely logical.
In these elections, there can only be 1 outcome. Either:
1. Raila wins. He becomes President. Him and his cronies steal from Kenyans.
or
2. Uhuru wins. He becomes President. Him and his cronies steal from Kenyans.
Logically, either winner is bad for Kenya.
Comments? The only way out of such is to have a China style Kind of election where a small group of straight thinking proffessionals come together to publicly vet and give us a suitable leader. This business of involving 'average voters' who have no idea of what's good for kenya is not working. These are the same people who cry 'naomba serikali' when things get thick. Given this is a dream, iam glad the new constitution tries to address some of these issues.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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The average voter is the one who is dragging Kenya down, voting based on tribe. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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I stand to be corrected but in my opinion, Democracy or erections in Kenia, is being allowed to vote for the candidate you dislike least. What logic then do I engage in to make a choice between two or three bad choices? I chose not to participate in the making of a choice at all by not opting to register as a voter in the forthcoming erection. I want to have the luxury of feeling very sorry for myself when other Kenians celebrate as Kenia becomes an even better place because due to good leaders elected. Or to watch in pain and horror as Kenia loses its sovereignty yet again while the economy goes to the dogs because of the erection of terrible leaders. Was that logical?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/13/2008 Posts: 558
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Let the people decide!.
Same monkeys + Same forest = same fruits
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/18/2010 Posts: 503 Location: Kenya
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KulaRaha wrote:Firstly, pls leave your tribal affiliations at the door. This is purely logical.
In these elections, there can only be 1 outcome. Either:
1. Raila wins. He becomes President. Him and his cronies steal from Kenyans.
or
2. Uhuru wins. He becomes President. Him and his cronies steal from Kenyans.
Logically, either winner is bad for Kenya.
Comments? Your logic holds a lot of water. But better the lesser evil. Compare Moi and Kibaki's rein. Corruption was the order of the day in both regimes. But there is no comparison between Moi and kibaki. Infact Moi neer did a thing. look at what our beloved President has been able to do even though surrounded by all these cronies.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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aemathenge wrote:I stand to be corrected but in my opinion, Democracy or erections in Kenia, is being allowed to vote for the candidate you dislike least.
What logic then do I engage in to make a choice between two or three bad choices?
I chose not to participate in the making of a choice at all by not opting to register as a voter in the forthcoming erection.
I want to have the luxury of feeling very sorry for myself when other Kenians celebrate as Kenia becomes an even better place because due to good leaders elected.
Or to watch in pain and horror as Kenia loses its sovereignty yet again while the economy goes to the dogs because of the erection of terrible leaders.
Was that logical? I think you made a mistake. Democracy is not perfect, anywhere in the world. I tell myself that even when I am choosing the least worst leader out of a bad bunch, I am participating in a process of refinement. Progressively, and hopefully, less worse leaders will iteratively come to the surface until we have a tolerable equilibrium. You should not deny yourself participation in this process of refinement, because then in a small way you can influence its speed and direction. Look at life in general, many things work in a similar way; small, painful steps....building things brick by brick, correcting and learning from mistakes as you go along. What would happen if you gave up on this tried and tested method in real life? It is like marrying. If you want a perfect wife, or husband, virgin of body, soul and spirit among other things it will be a loooooong wait, and she/he will never come anyway. You pick what is good or even acceptable and roll with it
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Democracy is not the best form of government. Indeed there's no perfect form of government under the sun. Even if we get a good leader for a season, it is almost assured a poor one will emerge somewhere down the road. That's why it was necessary to change the constitution, at least to have some control. So let us participate in this imperfect process, atleast until some invention is made on how to manufacture perfect leaders at some point in future
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/2/2006 Posts: 1,206 Location: Nairobi
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The average voter (the poor) will determine your leader & nothing much will change in their lives.If you were living in Kibera,Mathare & Dandora you will continue living there. The middle class (Wazuans & white collar fellows) will be left bearing the consequences.These are people who have investments,universities to attend,stocks to watch etc. Things will change the day the middle class takes the duty to vote & change this country seriously. Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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So what we are saying here is there are essentially two Kenyas, one for the average voter and one for the voter who has something to lose. Unfortunately the average ones are more in numbers...hence you can be guaranteed a useless MP or President who does not appeal to you in any way. But he/she appeals to the average broke guy on the ground. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2012 Posts: 1,317
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Motomoto wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Firstly, pls leave your tribal affiliations at the door. This is purely logical.
In these elections, there can only be 1 outcome. Either:
1. Raila wins. He becomes President. Him and his cronies steal from Kenyans.
or
2. Uhuru wins. He becomes President. Him and his cronies steal from Kenyans.
Logically, either winner is bad for Kenya.
Comments? Your logic holds a lot of water. But better the lesser evil. Compare Moi and Kibaki's rein. Corruption was the order of the day in both regimes. But there is no comparison between Moi and kibaki. Infact Moi neer did a thing. look at what our beloved President has been able to do even though surrounded by all these cronies. Very little separates these two. It all depends on the color of glasses you view them through. Second best is always a deception.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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bird_man wrote:
Things will change the day the middle class takes the duty to vote & change this country seriously.
They wont. When will the middle class and educated be more than the rural folks & the lower classes?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Lolest! wrote:bird_man wrote:
Things will change the day the middle class takes the duty to vote & change this country seriously.
They wont. When will the middle class and educated be more than the rural folks & the lower classes? That is the definition of a first world country...where there are more people who have something to lose compared to those who have nothing to lose. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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xyzee wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Firstly, pls leave your tribal affiliations at the door. This is purely logical.
In these elections, there can only be 1 outcome. Either:
1. Raila wins. He becomes President. Him and his cronies steal from Kenyans.
or
2. Uhuru wins. He becomes President. Him and his cronies steal from Kenyans.
Logically, either winner is bad for Kenya.
Comments? The only way out of such is to have a China style Kind of election where a small group of straight thinking proffessionals come together to publicly vet and give us a suitable leader. This business of involving 'average voters' who have no idea of what's good for kenya is not working. These are the same people who cry 'naomba serikali' when things get thick. Given this is a dream, iam glad the new constitution tries to address some of these issues. China is a terrible country where one is measured by the speed with which they are able to keep the factory line moving or how fast they can stack export boxes on to ships. there is nothing admirable about the country. I am actually ok with the average voter exercising their right to choose their leader because at the end of day, they choose from a pool of leaders that are knowledgeable and certainly not average. Average voters ensured Obama won the US presidency, if it were a china style election, then i think they would have settled for Donald Rumsfeld or Dick Cheney. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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