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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Cordmorning @ reggaeman. We may not like facts but they stil remain so. In 2002, Uhuru team used RAOphobia in their campaigns. They claimed that Kibaki had an agrmt with RAO to rule for 2 yrs only then leave the presidency to him. After becoming PM, RAO made a trip to central. Rumours were rife that he was planning to avenge 69 Kisumu incident by provoking the crowds. But I think the phobia is reducing.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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Much Know wrote:poundfoolish wrote:Much Know wrote:If it were not for the 1982 communist revolutionary coup (reforms), maybe Kenya would be at par with Malaysia. The phobia is real and necessary! If you are a good student of history, you will be surprised who were happier about the coup then.. and getting rid of Moi was celebrated sana... ..as for Moi's appointment.. it was not about sucession but the Kanu Kadu 'merger' taming Ngala... and the gem.... allowing displaced Africans from reserves to new settlements... the diaspora kyuks as referef to.. it was a way of pacifying the locals... which leads me to ask. How old are you? Did you read more history than what was in your 'pass exams' text books.. Did you take history in highschool.? As for who was happier, i was not aware steadman was there to carry out an opinion poll. As for your Moi appointment, then what of his appointing J. Odinga VP and never a kiuk successor? He sacked him for his communist leanings and Moi ended up as VP later purely on merit and ideoloy. Yes i study history , do you? Goodness.. Im wasting brain cells on this one.... The little history you perceive to know has you thoroughly haughty. Somebody please take up on this.. History 101?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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@Ngalaka you have pointed out a reality that the majority of Wazuans prefer to sweep under the carpet. The Mountains will not vote for an Angel who does not come from among them. They are quite content to succeed themselves while talking about national unity, constitutional rights Etc. We thought Moi was a nasty guy, but he did not seek to have a Kaleo succeed him. We would be well on our way towards national healing should Baks declare support to someone other than his 'kamwana' but don't hold your breath. It will never happen. Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Robinhood wrote:
We thought Moi was a nasty guy, but he did not seek to have a Kaleo succeed him. We would be well on our way towards national healing should Baks declare support to someone other than his 'kamwana' but don't hold your breath. It will never happen.
You clearly don't know who Shetani as referred to by UK is. Old baks wasn't going to publicly support anyone. But we know who he preferred-WMM. As it is now, UMK has successfully rebelled against mzee Kibs. Infact, listening to some of those UMK guys is very similar to listening to CORD supporters. They think Kibaki is to blame for their woes and they blame Kibaki for everything that has gone wrong since 2003. On another note, and this is scary, CORD seems not to be any different from ODM of 2007. At 60 days to the polls they are now seeking to isolate the Kikuyu again this time with 'historical facts'.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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@Pound&Robinhd I have given up on debating with people who appear keen to skirt around issues in a hear no evil see no evil approach!! Burying heads in sand wont get the problem off the way. If a people choose a certain path and refuse to see things any other way, - so be it! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Lolest! wrote:Robinhood wrote:
We thought Moi was a nasty guy, but he did not seek to have a Kaleo succeed him. We would be well on our way towards national healing should Baks declare support to someone other than his 'kamwana' but don't hold your breath. It will never happen.
You clearly don't know who Shetani as referred to by UK is. Old baks wasn't going to publicly support anyone. But we know who he preferred-WMM. As it is now, UMK has successfully rebelled against mzee Kibs. Infact, listening to some of those UMK guys is very similar to listening to CORD supporters. They think Kibaki is to blame for their woes and they blame Kibaki for everything that has gone wrong since 2003. On another note, and this is scary, CORD seems not to be any different from ODM of 2007. At 60 days to the polls they are now seeking to isolate the Kikuyu again this time with 'historical facts'. This is laughable! Who is isolating who!!! Kweli Nyani haoni k..... Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Ngalaka wrote:
This is laughable!
Who is isolating who!!!
Kweli Nyani haoni k.....
Who was being isolated in the other case? Fafanua, mimi sina war. Just make sure you use facts not inventing a new set of rumours!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Kikuyu isolate themselves and the blame everybody else, nkt. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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McReggae wrote:Kikuyu isolate themselves and the blame everybody else, nkt. As if they applied to be born Kikuyus and shouted Haki Yetu when their parents attempted to make them other tribes! The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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ZZ, yu dont get the point, when Kibaki thinks all influential positions should belong to his kinsmen, unilaterally appoints commissioners (2007) others are left with no choice. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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McReggae wrote:Kikuyu isolate themselves and the blame everybody else, nkt. numerous examples e.g njonjo,kuguru,s.k. macharia,wanjiru,stanley githunguri,maina njenga,ngunjiri etc.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Lolest! wrote:Ngalaka wrote:
This is laughable!
Who is isolating who!!!
Kweli Nyani haoni k.....
Who was being isolated in the other case? Fafanua, mimi sina war. Just make sure you use facts not inventing a new set of rumours! Whats there to fafanua honestly! Isnt it a clear case of a people isolating themselves on account of a bloated feeling of self importance. Thinking that they are special and uniquely gifted! No one has told them not to work with the rest. In fact as it has always been the case, they are very welcome to work with the rest. Will you! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,571
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Ngalaka wrote:Lolest! wrote:Ngalaka wrote:
This is laughable!
Who is isolating who!!!
Kweli Nyani haoni k.....
Who was being isolated in the other case? Fafanua, mimi sina war. Just make sure you use facts not inventing a new set of rumours! You cannot get a factual statement from this lot, just a rumour, anti-kikuyu sentiment na history of 'gumzo mtaani'. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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mawinder wrote:McReggae wrote:Kikuyu isolate themselves and the blame everybody else, nkt. numerous examples e.g njonjo,kuguru,s.k. macharia,wanjiru,stanley githunguri,maina njenga,ngunjiri etc. If that be the case then, in TNA we have Oloo Mbuvi Chebii etc Who is fooling who!!! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Lolest! wrote:Robinhood wrote:
We thought Moi was a nasty guy, but he did not seek to have a Kaleo succeed him. We would be well on our way towards national healing should Baks declare support to someone other than his 'kamwana' but don't hold your breath. It will never happen.
You clearly don't know who Shetani as referred to by UK is. Old baks wasn't going to publicly support anyone. But we know who he preferred-WMM. As it is now, UMK has successfully rebelled against mzee Kibs. Infact, listening to some of those UMK guys is very similar to listening to CORD supporters. They think Kibaki is to blame for their woes and they blame Kibaki for everything that has gone wrong since 2003. On another note, and this is scary, CORD seems not to be any different from ODM of 2007. At 60 days to the polls they are now seeking to isolate the Kikuyu again this time with 'historical facts'. Another well choreographed statement to invoke the siege mentality among the mountain folk. What exactly has CORD done. Jubilee has a healthy dose of Kalenjins and the Adan Duales of this world. Thats not isolation. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Ngalaka wrote:
Whats there to fafanua honestly!
Isnt it a clear case of a people isolating themselves on account of a bloated feeling of self importance. Thinking that they are special and uniquely gifted!
No one has told them not to work with the rest.
In fact as it has always been the case, they are very welcome to work with the rest.
Will you!
Thanks for confirming my fears. I warned that if MDVD was kicked out of Jubilee CORD would use this to raise ethnic hate again. I am no prophet but sady, I was right. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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mawinder wrote:McReggae wrote:Kikuyu isolate themselves and the blame everybody else, nkt. numerous examples e.g njonjo,kuguru,s.k. macharia,wanjiru,stanley githunguri,maina njenga,ngunjiri etc. Coming from the mountain.. im afraid we are repeating the mistake of 79. Feeling entitled and all powerful... all great nations realise the need to change and adapt with time.. Similar to the treatment Moi got circa 78-79... if we keep thinking unilateraly... we shall create a monster worse than Nyayo.. repercussions worse than the 24years... this time it may be 50 years... The Ibos of Nigeria are a good study.. This is the realisation by the wazee.. apparently some 'youthful' generation fail to see this.. Mandela saw the same in supporting Zuma instead of Cyril.. a Xhosa with current constitution.. the presidency is quasi lame.. nothing pricely about it... just statistics and pride.. governors are the real say.. parliament the last frontier... see Obama's headaches? my bet is.. wait and see the unfolding udf jubilee divorce.. the courts which upto this point are partial.. will scuttle some bids.. the same brains behind 07 re-election are behind maDdvd... they screwd UK once(threw him under the bus regarding icc).. young man has been gentle enough to repay in kind... if theres no truce... somebody is doomed
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
On another note, and this is scary, CORD seems not to be any different from ODM of 2007. At 60 days to the polls they are now seeking to isolate the Kikuyu again this time with 'historical facts'.
Another well choreographed statement to invoke the siege mentality among the mountain folk. What exactly has CORD done. Jubilee has a healthy dose of Kalenjins and the Adan Duales of this world. Thats not isolation.
sorry for assuming all you guys are corded. how a discussion on raophobia changed in Mt Kenya west bashing is a good pointer. to push it further, Cord loyalists are telling us that samoei is being played, not by uhuru but by mt kenya east! i still think wazua community owes @al-ustaadh an apology!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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McReggae wrote:Kikuyu isolate themselves and the blame everybody else, nkt. We got characters with white uji between their ears. the constitution should be changed so if you are born kikuyu shouldn't vote. work to prosper
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Tokyo wrote:McReggae wrote:Kikuyu isolate themselves and the blame everybody else, nkt. We got characters with white uji between their ears. the constitution should be changed so if you are born kikuyu shouldn't vote. @admin, reverse @alustaadh usering!
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