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By their very own utterances as quoted in the Media, Ruto and his Comrade in ....eerr.., ok, ICC indictment, the coming General elections will essentially be a referendum on ICC! Never mind that, this kind of posturing by its very own self, amounts to an affront on the ICC by an accused person under the court – a matter that portends serious consequences that could include being put under confinement as the case proceeds. Be that as it may, Post March 4 2013, one wonders what Ruto and Co will tell us after they are handed a resounding loss at the elections. Following on their logic, Kenya will have voted that they submit fully to ICC. Hope they won’t change the story! Dunia ni msongamano..
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B.Timer wrote:
By their very own utterances as quoted in the Media, Ruto and his Comrade in ....eerr.., ok, ICC indictment, the coming General elections will essentially be a referendum on ICC!
Never mind that, this kind of posturing by its very own self, amounts to an affront on the ICC by an accused person under the court – a matter that portends serious consequences that could include being put under confinement as the case proceeds.
Be that as it may,
Post March 4 2013, one wonders what Ruto and Co will tell us after they are handed a resounding loss at the elections.
Following on their logic, Kenya will have voted that they submit fully to ICC. Hope they won’t change the story!
Depends on the percentage they lose with. If they lose, a majority would have given the ICC thumbs up, but even then, Kenya would have said YES to ICC. And that's following their logic.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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josiah33 wrote:B.Timer wrote:
By their very own utterances as quoted in the Media, Ruto and his Comrade in ....eerr.., ok, ICC indictment, the coming General elections will essentially be a referendum on ICC!
Never mind that, this kind of posturing by its very own self, amounts to an affront on the ICC by an accused person under the court – a matter that portends serious consequences that could include being put under confinement as the case proceeds.
Be that as it may,
Post March 4 2013, one wonders what Ruto and Co will tell us after they are handed a resounding loss at the elections.
Following on their logic, Kenya will have voted that they submit fully to ICC. Hope they won’t change the story!
Depends on the percentage they lose with. If they lose, a majority would have given the ICC thumbs up, but even then, Kenya would have said YES to ICC. And that's following their logic. A true referendum but consider the fact that they may win the election.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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mawinder wrote:josiah33 wrote:B.Timer wrote:
By their very own utterances as quoted in the Media, Ruto and his Comrade in ....eerr.., ok, ICC indictment, the coming General elections will essentially be a referendum on ICC!
Never mind that, this kind of posturing by its very own self, amounts to an affront on the ICC by an accused person under the court – a matter that portends serious consequences that could include being put under confinement as the case proceeds.
Be that as it may,
Post March 4 2013, one wonders what Ruto and Co will tell us after they are handed a resounding loss at the elections.
Following on their logic, Kenya will have voted that they submit fully to ICC. Hope they won’t change the story!
Depends on the percentage they lose with. If they lose, a majority would have given the ICC thumbs up, but even then, Kenya would have said YES to ICC. And that's following their logic. A true referendum but consider the fact that they may win the election. If that's the case, then kenyans will be telling the ICC to go to hell.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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And will they say that because the Kenyan courts have cleared them to run, then their innocence is proven? (In case, they are cleared)
If no. How can the 'referendum argument' be valid and true?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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All laws and International conventions ratified by Kenya are part of our laws.The matter went to ICC because Kenya ratified the Rome statute i.e self referral unlike Bashir who was taken there by the UN Council.The constitution provides immunity to all criminal proceedings against a sitting president. When they win the elections expect that advice from the Attorney General.You can take this to I&M bank.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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mawinder wrote:All laws and International conventions ratified by Kenya are part of our laws.The matter went to ICC because Kenya ratified the Rome statute i.e self referral unlike Bashir who was taken there by the UN Council.The constitution provides immunity to all criminal proceedings against a sitting president. When they win the elections expect that advice from the Attorney General.You can take this to I&M bank. Isn't this a different argument? Does it mean the cases can't be put on hold till end of term? There's nothing like a referendum on the ICC. Not unless we are talking of life presidency.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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@tycho,the cases will be on hold as long as they are in power.As for lifetime presidency,you know the constitution provides for a 5 year term with the option of another one 5 year term renewal upon election by at least 50%+1 kenyans and at least 25% of votes in 24 counties.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,588
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tycho wrote:And will they say that because the Kenyan courts have cleared them to run, then their innocence is proven? (In case, they are cleared)
If no. How can the 'referendum argument' be valid and true? The courts(pontious pilate) had already set the believers free for a referendum election, if the cries (kogaloistic) 'crucify them give us barbarus' are over whelming then barabus will stand more or less alone, in the coming elections, but if the shouts of believers 'set the believers free' are louder, then we will see the light if we believe. That's how wisdom works, it isn't perfect but it is better than logic(marxism). Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Much Know wrote:tycho wrote:And will they say that because the Kenyan courts have cleared them to run, then their innocence is proven? (In case, they are cleared)
If no. How can the 'referendum argument' be valid and true? The courts(pontious pilate) had already set the believers free for a referendum election, if the cries (kogaloistic) 'crucify them give us barbarus' are over whelming then barabus will stand more or less alone, in the coming elections, but if the shouts of believers 'set the believers free' are louder, then we will see the light if we believe. That's how wisdom works, it isn't perfect but it is better than logic(marxism). I mourn the fate of the nation. Pilate, Barabas, Kogaloists, the believers, all jump from the pan into the fire.
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