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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The more I search for truth, the more I realize that things aren't what I've been told they are; and neither are they what I think.
Knowledge is nothing but manipulating the uncertain, that is why it is power, for ends of our desires and imagination.
Wisdom is trying to nourish and preserve and respect the ways of nature.
Speech, is the expression of power; casting a spell on others and things to conform to the desire of our imaginations.
Action, is a step of faith, to consummate our power.
But deep inside, there's coldness, and darkness, hunger, savagery and loneliness gnawing.
Beauty is the promise of healing. The flower, the smile, the melody, the saviour, the other.
Perfection is surrender, deep silence, peace and rest. Being nature itself.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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tycho wrote:The more I search for truth, the more I realize that things aren't what I've been told they are; and neither are they what I think.
Knowledge is nothing but manipulating the uncertain, that is why it is power, for ends of our desires and imagination.
Wisdom is trying to nourish and preserve and respect the ways of nature.
Speech, is the expression of power; casting a spell on others and things to conform to the desire of our imaginations.
Action, is a step of faith, to consummate our power.
But deep inside, there's coldness, and darkness, hunger, savagery and loneliness gnawing.
Beauty is the promise of healing. The flower, the smile, the melody, the saviour, the other.
Perfection is surrender, deep silence, peace and rest. Being nature itself. I like your deep thought process but many a time you loose me in what you're conveying. Keep it simple for some of us...  C&P Quote: A message has NOT been communicated unless it is understood by the receiver (decoded). How do you know it has been properly received? By two-way communication or feedback. This feedback tells the sender that the receiver understood the message, its level of importance, and what must be done with it. Communication is an exchange, not just a give, as all parties must participate to complete the information exchange.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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tycho wrote:The more I search for truth, the more I realize that things aren't what I've been told they are; and neither are they what I think.
Knowledge is nothing but manipulating the uncertain, that is why it is power, for ends of our desires and imagination.
Wisdom is trying to nourish and preserve and respect the ways of nature.
Speech, is the expression of power; casting a spell on others and things to conform to the desire of our imaginations.
Action, is a step of faith, to consummate our power.
But deep inside, there's coldness, and darkness, hunger, savagery and loneliness gnawing.
Beauty is the promise of healing. The flower, the smile, the melody, the saviour, the other.
Perfection is surrender, deep silence, peace and rest. Being nature itself. Kamata panadol mbili kwa kufikiria sana bwana. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Kratos, thank you for your response. To understand the ant you must focus on the colony. That is, for us to understand an individual's content or action, we must understand the overall objective, relative position and role.
Humanity is organized in superorganisms called societies, and these superorganisms, like colonies, experience changes from both within and without and every once in a while changes in structure and behavior are necessary if the species is to survive.
Now is such a time when everything has to be reconsidered.
I am trying to play the role of setting the ideological and philosophical grounds of a new colony.
Everything is coming fast and furious and a post is a snapshot of a stimulus and a response at the same time.
So 3 posts are six variables to be processed. Understanding doesn't come easy. I hope you get my drift.
@Simon, fanatics and non fanatics have some work to do, and I am handling my tasks in comfortable stride. I am actually enjoying.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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How I had missed such posts.Music to my ears and comfort to my soul.Seems tycho we were of the same thought. Fear of the unknown stands before man and there only two choices: face it or deny it. To face it is to learn humility and submit to truth.Truth sheds a light on the seed of knowledge which is nurtured by understanding to bring forth wisdom. The denial of fear takes two directions: emotional and physical all working to distract you from facing the truth. Emotional denial manifests in the form of pride and anger to compensate for feeling powerless and helpless before uncertainty over ourselves,our environment and other people. With anger comes false sense of power and control and with pride comes delusion of superiority.Both leading to destruction and never attaining peace. Physical distractions drives our pursuit of desires.From greed,lust,gluttony,envy...day in day out to quench our desires and distract us for the day to pacify us for another moment.But the emptiness is never filled or the desire ever quenched for only truth can set you free.For the darkness of fear fades before the light of truth.There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Well! some lesson in the greek language is not bad once in awhile.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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I am with @kratos on this one. Not so long ago, Catholic mass was read in Latin the world over. I hear Latin is a beautiful language. Guess why they stopped? Because by reading in Latin it is the delivery that got the focus and not the message. The word was lost on the flock.
Knowledge is information and skill via experience and education, speech is the ability to express thoughts and feelings; action is simply to do something! Blinking is an action, so is farting. There are things that don't need deeper meaning, they function perfectly as they are.
Vocabulary is one thing, and everyone should learn a few every so often, then there is obfuscation, which is pointless, even when no malice is intended.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Einstein: Make things as simple as possible but not simpler.Let me explain for tycho and probably myself starting with @kratos definition of communication. Communication also needs the involved parties to share a common point of reference otherwise it becomes impossible.For example,explaining what a web page is to a person with no concept of a computer,the internet or electricity is almost futile. But then again those few lines are the filtered results of hours of deep thought so it might not be only an issue with perspective or reference. @quicksand - This one I have to disagree.There is nothing as important in this world as knowledge and wisdom.It governs EVERYTHING you do and your speech and actions,as tycho correctly put it,are direct result of the faith you have in that knowledge/wisdom.Let me give a direct wazuan example.Every investment we discuss and pursue is a direct reaction to the knowledge and information we hold.So if your knowledge is inaccurate,incomplete or flawed so follows your investments. The question thus remains,how do you protect yourself from that if you don't seek deeper meaning and understanding on knowledge and wisdom. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:Einstein: Make things as simple as possible but not simpler.Let me explain for tycho and probably myself starting with @kratos definition of communication. Communication also needs the involved parties to share a common point of reference otherwise it becomes impossible.For example,explaining what a web page is to a person with no concept of a computer,the internet or electricity is almost futile.
But then again those few lines are the filtered results of hours of deep thought so it might not be only an issue with perspective or reference.
@quicksand - This one I have to disagree.There is nothing as important in this world as knowledge and wisdom.It governs EVERYTHING you do and your speech and actions,as tycho correctly put it,are direct result of the faith you have in that knowledge/wisdom.Let me give a direct wazuan example.Every investment we discuss and pursue is a direct reaction to the knowledge and information we hold.So if your knowledge is inaccurate,incomplete or flawed so follows your investments. The question thus remains,how do you protect yourself from that if you don't seek deeper meaning and understanding on knowledge and wisdom. I never said knowledge isn't important. .what we are disagreeing on are definitions, not effects. As far as definitions go, I prefer simple ones. Lots of people know what knowledge is, and what to do with it, without needing this expansive definition; Quote:Knowledge is nothing but manipulating the uncertain, that is why it is power, for ends of our desires and imagination. . Knowledge can't be passive? And isn't coverage by knowledge of a domain remove uncertainty within the parameters of the subject matter covered? Talk of chasing your own tail. .. . . . Quote:Speech, is the expression of power; casting a spell on others and things to conform to the desire of our imaginations. ...casting a spell? really? may be I want to simply pass on information or news to another person, via speech, for their consumption,..without needing to bend them to my will or imagination, or do you suppose such a thing is impossible? Here is another one. ..explain to me the action of swinging my legs from the sofa to the floor in the context of the quoted phrase below .. Quote:Action, is a step of faith, to consummate our power. This. .. Quote:Beauty is the promise of healing. The flower, the smile, the melody, the saviour, the other. ...belongs in poetry. Poetry is not necessarily the same as truth. My point being all this stuff is grossly garnished, in the process the true taste and essence of the morsel lost, replaced by something cloying, artificial and overpowering. Everyone knows what mud is. This is what Sheldon Cooper of Big Bang Theory called it during an ego trip. Particulate soil in colloidal suspension. Dont caricature yourself complicating simple things.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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I was talking about the study of knowledge or understanding of the nature of knowledge.It might sound like a trivial issue but I don't think it is. I now understand the point you are trying to put across.We should keep things simple.Let me use your Sheldon example. In one context its sufficient to just call it mud but in another context "Particulate soil in colloidal suspension".I think its the latter in this case because I see the sense and depth of tycho's words on a physical and spiritual level. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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