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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:One shud visit ethiopia before even trying to admire them. Addis is exactly like Nairobi in 1990. Ok with lots of unplanned construction but still very backward.
There is nothing to like in Ethiopia. Thank God I am in kenya. Finally some sense!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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InnovateGuy wrote:Food for thought: After completion, the Renaissance Dam is set to supply 6,000 MW. That's approximately six times Kenya's current capacity! A round of  to the Ethiopians! What buffles me is.. What do they need that much capacity for..? is their domestic demand that high? Projected demand? To sell to its neighbors?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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tony stark wrote:tinker wrote:
The location of this dam is very far away from turkana-kenya border, turkana is on the upper side hence It can't be affected...the people who should be crying are the Egyptians
Please refrain from commenting without knowledge. This dam is on river Omo which supplies Lake Turkana with 90% of the inflow while the remaining 10% is from turkwell which also has a dam. This doesn't affect the blue Nile. Tinker please Think before you comment/ write or let your finger do the walking. you first think before posting HERE. if all you know about is Gibe cascades, start your thread on them. This thread is about the grand renaissance dam project-GRD are u an accountant? Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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poundfoolish wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Food for thought: After completion, the Renaissance Dam is set to supply 6,000 MW. That's approximately six times Kenya's current capacity! A round of to the Ethiopians! What buffles me is.. What do they need that much capacity for..? is their domestic demand that high? Projected demand? To sell to its neighbors? Seriously? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:poundfoolish wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Food for thought: After completion, the Renaissance Dam is set to supply 6,000 MW. That's approximately six times Kenya's current capacity! A round of to the Ethiopians! What buffles me is.. What do they need that much capacity for..? is their domestic demand that high? Projected demand? To sell to its neighbors? Seriously? im very serious with those questions bw. murchr
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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tony stark wrote:tinker wrote:
The location of this dam is very far away from turkana-kenya border, turkana is on the upper side hence It can't be affected...the people who should be crying are the Egyptians
Please refrain from commenting without knowledge. This dam is on river Omo which supplies Lake Turkana with 90% of the inflow while the remaining 10% is from turkwell which also has a dam. This doesn't affect the blue Nile. Tinker please Think before you comment/ write or let your finger do the walking. My friend Tony, you are as wrong as they come! I now draw your attention to posts 3 and 8. There are 2 major projects ongoing. .....the Grand Renaissance Dam on the Blue Nile (6000mw) n the Gibe III dam accross river Omo (1400mw). TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/25/2012 Posts: 1,624 Location: Langley
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Mozambique is set to build gas-to-power plant to boost its electricity supply or in other words to sell to South Africa. The reason why am saying so is because their generating capacity is around 2200 MW most of which is exported to S.Africa despite only 18 percent of Mozambicans having access to electricity. http://www.cnbc.com/id/1...n_175_MW_gasfired_plant
http://www.ventures-afri...largest-gas-power-plant/If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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simonkabz wrote:I missed this. Wow!
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Ethiopian_Renaissance_Dam Meles was decades ahead of other african leaders (even our own baks).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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limanika wrote:simonkabz wrote:I missed this. Wow!
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Ethiopian_Renaissance_Dam Meles was decades ahead of other african leaders (even our own baks). He was a brilliant mind but we never noticed. But not ahead of baks. We shall fully realize baks' legacy once he is gone. I'm not sure whether we will be 2nd time lucky, this was a serious fluke by kenyans, a fluke given the current political bullshit all over the place. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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InnovateGuy wrote:Food for thought: After completion, the Renaissance Dam is set to supply 6,000 MW. That's approximately six times Kenya's current capacity! A round of to the Ethiopians! Ethiopia has a GDP per capita that is less than half that of Kenya why do they need 6times our electricity?? Besides i have more faith in Kenya's energy plan! Because socialism simply doesn't work.. By 2030 Kenya plans to have 21,000MW connected to the grid! By 2025 there should be 15,000MW hooked up to the grid! By 2020 Kenya would have hooked 8,500MW to the grid! By 2016 we should have 4,500MW hooked to our grid! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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guru267 wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Food for thought: After completion, the Renaissance Dam is set to supply 6,000 MW. That's approximately six times Kenya's current capacity! A round of to the Ethiopians! Ethiopia has a GDP per capita that is less than half that of Kenya why do they need 6times our electricity?? Besides i have more faith in Kenya's energy plan! Because socialism simply doesn't work.. By 2030 Kenya plans to have 21,000MW connected to the grid! By 2025 there should be 15,000MW hooked up to the grid! By 2020 Kenya would have hooked 8,500MW to the grid! By 2016 we should have 4,500MW hooked to our grid! The results of a totalitarian regime. They are not thinking very clearly and coz it's being financed freely by the Chinese its all good. They will soon realize the cost of free lunch "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:One shud visit ethiopia before even trying to admire them. Addis is exactly like Nairobi in 1990. Ok with lots of unplanned construction but still very backward.
There is nothing to like in Ethiopia. Thank God I am in kenya. I disagree. Their women are exceptionally beautiful. The Ethiopian community in Nairobi used to meet in a building behind Hall 11 ...I used to hang around for a bit ogling at them pass by.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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quicksand wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:One shud visit ethiopia before even trying to admire them. Addis is exactly like Nairobi in 1990. Ok with lots of unplanned construction but still very backward.
There is nothing to like in Ethiopia. Thank God I am in kenya. I disagree. Their women are exceptionally beautiful. The Ethiopian community in Nairobi used to meet in a building behind Hall 11 ...I used to hang around for a bit ogling at them pass by.  "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:guru267 wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Food for thought: After completion, the Renaissance Dam is set to supply 6,000 MW. That's approximately six times Kenya's current capacity! A round of to the Ethiopians! Ethiopia has a GDP per capita that is less than half that of Kenya why do they need 6times our electricity?? Besides i have more faith in Kenya's energy plan! Because socialism simply doesn't work.. By 2030 Kenya plans to have 21,000MW connected to the grid! By 2025 there should be 15,000MW hooked up to the grid! By 2020 Kenya would have hooked 8,500MW to the grid! By 2016 we should have 4,500MW hooked to our grid! The results of a totalitarian regime. They are not thinking very clearly and coz it's being financed freely by the Chinese its all good. They will soon realize the cost of free lunch This was my concern Bw. Murchr..... Do they really really seriously have their priorities right?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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poundfoolish wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:guru267 wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Food for thought: After completion, the Renaissance Dam is set to supply 6,000 MW. That's approximately six times Kenya's current capacity! A round of to the Ethiopians! Ethiopia has a GDP per capita that is less than half that of Kenya why do they need 6times our electricity?? Besides i have more faith in Kenya's energy plan! Because socialism simply doesn't work.. By 2030 Kenya plans to have 21,000MW connected to the grid! By 2025 there should be 15,000MW hooked up to the grid! By 2020 Kenya would have hooked 8,500MW to the grid! By 2016 we should have 4,500MW hooked to our grid! The results of a totalitarian regime. They are not thinking very clearly and coz it's being financed freely by the Chinese its all good. They will soon realize the cost of free lunch This was my concern Bw. Murchr..... Do they really really seriously have their priorities right? If Kenya will have 21000MW by 2030 what is 6000MW surely? People, forgive me if I will sound personal but my perception is that we think we have enough power just because we can switch on a light bulb and watch tv but we have nothing. No serious investor will want to run operations here with the kind of perennial shortage of elec that we experience. Ethiopia is just positioning its self. Infact that 7kMW is still not enough to service a population of 90M people. They might just need to buy power from us in the future. South Africa right now has an electric capacity of over 40 000MW and they plan to double that by 2026. Why do u think SA is the obvious choice for doing business? If we dont get it right in the energy sector then all these minerals that we are discovering will have to be processed elsewhere, if that happens we will be as "good" as DRC. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 11/12/2012 Posts: 92
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...some of us are hardened skeptics of anything government projects ...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:poundfoolish wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:guru267 wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:Food for thought: After completion, the Renaissance Dam is set to supply 6,000 MW. That's approximately six times Kenya's current capacity! A round of to the Ethiopians! Ethiopia has a GDP per capita that is less than half that of Kenya why do they need 6times our electricity?? Besides i have more faith in Kenya's energy plan! Because socialism simply doesn't work.. By 2030 Kenya plans to have 21,000MW connected to the grid! By 2025 there should be 15,000MW hooked up to the grid! By 2020 Kenya would have hooked 8,500MW to the grid! By 2016 we should have 4,500MW hooked to our grid! The results of a totalitarian regime. They are not thinking very clearly and coz it's being financed freely by the Chinese its all good. They will soon realize the cost of free lunch This was my concern Bw. Murchr..... Do they really really seriously have their priorities right? If Kenya will have 21000MW by 2030 what is 6000MW surely? People, forgive me if I will sound personal but my perception is that we think we have enough power just because we can switch on a light bulb and watch tv but we have nothing. No serious investor will want to run operations here with the kind of perennial shortage of elec that we experience. Ethiopia is just positioning its self. Infact that 7kMW is still not enough to service a population of 90M people. They might just need to buy power from us in the future. South Africa right now has an electric capacity of over 40 000MW and they plan to double that by 2026. Why do u think SA is the obvious choice for doing business? If we dont get it right in the energy sector then all these minerals that we are discovering will have to be processed elsewhere, if that happens we will be as "good" as DRC. My biggest question is priorities.. Do they have their priorities set? Yes the country has 70 million earthlings.. but Addis has only 3million pple.. the other 'major cities' have hundreds of thousands.. the rest are scattered in rural areas. What is their rural electrification strategy.... If you ask me.. the chinese have seen some materials.. they figure they need it processed.. they offer a loan to build a dam for elec.. they get what they need.. you get what you want...a superfluous project
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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@Poundfoolish perfectly captured my thinking. The question is not whether Ethiopia needs the 6,000MW but rather if they will be able to use it efficiently immeadiately. Infact to make the point clearer, I am made to understand that KPLC/Ketraco is not able to evacuate the excess power capacity at the coast resulting from the mere 130MW Kipevu plant. I am sure there are many people at the coast who do not have electricity but cannot use the excess capacity there because of inability to buy, poor infrastructure etc. So think about what you will do with 6,000 MW immeadiately. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Poundfoolish perfectly captured my thinking. The question is not whether Ethiopia needs the 6,000MW but rather if they will be able to use it efficiently immeadiately.
Infact to make the point clearer, I am made to understand that KPLC/Ketraco is not able to evacuate the excess power capacity at the coast resulting from the mere 130MW Kipevu plant. I am sure there are many people at the coast who do not have electricity but cannot use the excess capacity there because of inability to buy, poor infrastructure etc. So think about what you will do with 6,000 MW immeadiately. Pls do a bit of research coz your both sounding very ignorant now. Kipevu is still not enough to solve the power issues at the coast. And again, stop thinking about lighting a bulb. Find out from bamburi eg..the countries largest power consumer, if they hv enough power. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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murchr wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Poundfoolish perfectly captured my thinking. The question is not whether Ethiopia needs the 6,000MW but rather if they will be able to use it efficiently immeadiately.
Infact to make the point clearer, I am made to understand that KPLC/Ketraco is not able to evacuate the excess power capacity at the coast resulting from the mere 130MW Kipevu plant. I am sure there are many people at the coast who do not have electricity but cannot use the excess capacity there because of inability to buy, poor infrastructure etc. So think about what you will do with 6,000 MW immeadiately. Pls do a bit of research coz your both sounding very ignorant now. Kipevu is still not enough to solve the power issues at the coast. And again, stop thinking about lighting a bulb. Find out from bamburi eg..the countries largest power consumer, if they hv enough power. @Muchr, for the kind of numbers you are talking about, it is about lighting a bulb, and using electricity to cook etc. Bamburi are currently producing at full capacity and for them to justify the set up of larger production capacity, then they need Kenyans to consume more cement, the point we are putting accross is that most kenyans can't afford cement as they live in mud huts, or houses made of card boards. The growth in production capacity has to move in tandem with the development and deepening of the consumer domestic markets. You can forget about producing for export, India and China have that covered for all the basic manufactured goods. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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