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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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I say roundabouts are better than crosses.... Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Cross junctions don't work here in Kenya. Not with matatus that respect no man or laws. Look at a useless one like the Gitanga, Kingara, James Gichuru roads; total nightmare. For it to work you need working traffic lights, cctv cameras and a few rotten drivers thrown in jail ili iwe funzo otherwise the way to go is those expensive fly-overs as I hate these pre-historic roundabouts with a passion.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 249 Location: nairobi
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2012 wrote:Cross junctions don't work here in Kenya. Not with matatus that respect no man or laws. Look at a useless one like the Gitanga, Kingara, James Gichuru roads; total nightmare. For it to work you need working traffic lights, cctv cameras and a few rotten drivers thrown in jail ili iwe funzo otherwise the way to go is those expensive fly-overs as I hate these pre-historic roundabouts with a passion. Both should be confined in rural areas.....under and overpass for urban. ..desire to succeed is always fighting with fear of failure..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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cross junctions can't work in a failed traffic system as ours. Classic example is the Pangani police one. Chaos! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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maina20 wrote:2012 wrote:Cross junctions don't work here in Kenya. Not with matatus that respect no man or laws. Look at a useless one like the Gitanga, Kingara, James Gichuru roads; total nightmare. For it to work you need working traffic lights, cctv cameras and a few rotten drivers thrown in jail ili iwe funzo otherwise the way to go is those expensive fly-overs as I hate these pre-historic roundabouts with a passion. Both should be confined in rural areas.....under and overpass for urban. Ditto. @mukiha, that was a lazy post! Very very shallow. I would want to assume you've taken account at the number of vehicles, people population, layout of the city, environmental factors, the level of population thinking, future growth prospects et al, no?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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@mukiha,Then i think the title should read "Kenyan Roundabouts or Cross Junctions.
Mine on the other thread was based on a system that works,where drivers obey traffic rules n lights. In such a scenario, Cross Junction beats Roundabouts hands down.
There is no time lost negotiating unnecessary semi circles or 3/4 of a circle. If you open both sides of Uhuru highway [from Haile n from University] holding those turning right,one can drive through that nyayo house junction at 80kph,but can you do the same with the roundabout?
When opening for those turning right,with a cross junction,you just turn,no going round.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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mkeiyd wrote:@mukiha,Then i think the title should read "Kenyan Roundabouts or Cross Junctions.
Mine on the other thread was based on a system that works,where drivers obey traffic rules n lights. In such a scenario, Cross Junction beats Roundabouts hands down.
There is no time lost negotiating unnecessary semi circles or 3/4 of a circle. If you open both sides of Uhuru highway [from Haile n from University] holding those turning right,one can drive through that nyayo house junction at 80kph,but can you do the same with the roundabout?
When opening for those turning right,with a cross junction,you just turn,no going round. ...i agree with you cross junctions are much better,faster,the probability of u gtn hit or hitting another vehicle is most certainly reduced,if we were a tad bit disciplined they can work extremely well...problem is we forgot our manners elsewhere... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Mukiri wrote:maina20 wrote:2012 wrote:Cross junctions don't work here in Kenya. Not with matatus that respect no man or laws. Look at a useless one like the Gitanga, Kingara, James Gichuru roads; total nightmare. For it to work you need working traffic lights, cctv cameras and a few rotten drivers thrown in jail ili iwe funzo otherwise the way to go is those expensive fly-overs as I hate these pre-historic roundabouts with a passion. Both should be confined in rural areas.....under and overpass for urban. Ditto. @mukiha, that was a lazy post! Very very shallow. I would want to assume you've taken account at the number of vehicles, people population, layout of the city, environmental factors, the level of population thinking, future growth prospects et al, no? I realised that the Syokimau thread was digressing towards this side so I offered to start a new thread on this subject.... REF: http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...21327&p=5#post336561Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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Some quick reads http://www.designroundabouts.com/Advantages
http://www.brighthubengi...rise-of-the-roundabouts/It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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And for the guys shouting that there ar no roundabouts in the developed world it looks like they are just warming up. They are just beginning to use them. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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bkismat wrote:And for the guys shouting that there ar no roundabouts in the developed world it looks like they are just warming up. They are just beginning to use them. Of the two links you've provided, i've read one and it's against roundabouts. And i personally i'm not shouting,all i'm saying most of the developed world don't use them. That's not to say they don't have a single roundabout.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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mkeiyd wrote:bkismat wrote:And for the guys shouting that there ar no roundabouts in the developed world it looks like they are just warming up. They are just beginning to use them. Of the two links you've provided, i've read one and it's against roundabouts. And i personally i'm not shouting,all i'm saying most of the developed world don't use them. That's not to say they don't have a single roundabout. @mkeiyd; when you say "most of the developed world" which countries are you actually referring to? Can you list the ones that you are actually CERTAIN about? Certainty proven by having visited and lived long enough to make the observation. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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mukiha wrote:mkeiyd wrote:bkismat wrote:And for the guys shouting that there ar no roundabouts in the developed world it looks like they are just warming up. They are just beginning to use them. Of the two links you've provided, i've read one and it's against roundabouts. And i personally i'm not shouting,all i'm saying most of the developed world don't use them. That's not to say they don't have a single roundabout. @mkeiyd; when you say "most of the developed world" which countries are you actually referring to? Can you list the ones that you are actually CERTAIN about? Certainty proven by having visited and lived long enough to make the observation. Japan[visited], Taiwan[visited],UAE [Dubai]visited,South Korea [lived]. Russia [St. Petersberg n Moscow] guys from there who've told me they don't have roundabouts. The mega cities n future cities documentaries, of all the cities they featured, i never saw one with roundabouts. You spend a day in Nairobi n you see numerous roundabouts. The places above you won't see a roundabout n if you do, it would be a preservation of some monument/history. Which developed world has roundabouts if you take out UK?
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2011 Posts: 181 Location: Nairobi
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mkeiyd wrote:mukiha wrote:mkeiyd wrote:bkismat wrote:And for the guys shouting that there ar no roundabouts in the developed world it looks like they are just warming up. They are just beginning to use them. Of the two links you've provided, i've read one and it's against roundabouts. And i personally i'm not shouting,all i'm saying most of the developed world don't use them. That's not to say they don't have a single roundabout. @mkeiyd; when you say "most of the developed world" which countries are you actually referring to? Can you list the ones that you are actually CERTAIN about? Certainty proven by having visited and lived long enough to make the observation. Japan[visited], Taiwan[visited],UAE [Dubai]visited,South Korea [lived]. Russia [St. Petersberg n Moscow] guys from there who've told me they don't have roundabouts. The mega cities n future cities documentaries, of all the cities they featured, i never saw one with roundabouts. You spend a day in Nairobi n you see numerous roundabouts. The places above you won't see a roundabout n if you do, it would be a preservation of some monument/history. Which developed world has roundabouts if you take out UK? There are roundabouts in the US. Some cities in Minnesota are replacing intersections in residential areas that don't have busy traffic. Intersections require cars coming to a full stop (if you follow the rules) and the first driver to the intersection has right of way. Roundabouts allow drivers to proceed without stopping if there is no other vehicle in the roundabout. Traffic flows more smoothly. Busy highways still use the intersection/traffic lights model. First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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