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Impunity
#41 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:01:51 AM
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eboomerang wrote:
tassia wrote:
VOTE WITH YOUR BRAIN...


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Integrity test (The choice is yours)

COALITION 1
-ICC suspects
-Golden-berg
-Cemetery saga
-No development record
-Tribal kings
-Kanu big wigs
-Insurance scams
-Maize scams
-Budget errors
COALITION 2
-Post election violence
-Watermelon
-Kibera
-Poorest provinces
-Poorest constituencies
-Over 20 years of leadership with
zero development record
-NHIF Saga
-1982 Coup
-Tribal kings
-Maize scams
-Molasses plant saga
COALITION 3
-Self made leaders
-Fresh breath
-Awesome development record
-No corruption cases
-Best CDF resource utilization
record
-Custodian of Vision 2030
-Best ministry in Perfomance
-Issue based leadership


The person should have added under coalition 3, short time in parliament with greatest impact to their constituency.




Add to coalition 3:
Unexplained sources of massive wealth.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

simonkabz
#42 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:48:11 AM
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tycho wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
tycho wrote:
Since PK has a link to this thread let me ask: is it true that the way out of unemployment is foreign investment?

Tunawesmake kweli na hiyo route? Bado we are playing second fiddle.



For Kenya almost yes. Ask the chinese how they made it. Thereafter comes technological transfers n the like. FDI babaa


Foreign investment is not unnecessary or unneeded, but we should also look at how it is going to work in a country like ours.

For example, it is difficult for us to compare ourselves with China in relation to market size, labor costs, cultural strength, and leadership strategies.

We have not even tackled the issue of resources conclusively. For instance, how can one identify resources without firstly, having a well defined objective, and secondly, a will to beat all odds using knowledge, imagination, and creativity?

By PK seeking foreign investment as a solution to unemployment, he is not only exhibiting diffidence in himself, but he is also showing lack of confidence in the citizens he is aspiring to lead.

And the results will always be devastating.



Is FDI the only thing he has offered? I have heard him talk of trippling our tourism, irrigation agriculture, manufacturing, massive infrastructure, fiscal discipline.......all on his website. Why are you obsessed with the FDI part? Now, lets hear what Uhuruto offering anyway?

Ati sasa we are mad n brainless for supporting PK? These uhuru fans n arrogance.....actually that was a comment from a very educated man!. .....
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
TAZ
#43 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 10:44:51 AM
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@ Simonkabz......You do realise that the elections will not just be about PK Vs Uhuruto. What are his chances against OAR?
tycho
#44 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 10:58:17 AM
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@Simon, I don't think I am obsessed, I saw the Man yesterday and he seemed to be the one obsessed with the idea of foreign investment, he didn't mention these other things like 'tourism'.

And perhaps the reason why is because these sectors have been there all along and that there maybe a dearth of new ideas regarding them.

Oar has also talked about these sectors in an equally unconvincing manner. So if PK has some fresh ideas why isn't he mentioning them in his speeches? I don't think a website is more convincing than a verbal presentation that is always pressed for time!
simonkabz
#45 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 12:26:00 PM
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TAZ wrote:
@ Simonkabz......You do realise that the elections will not just be about PK Vs Uhuruto. What are his chances against OAR?


I think they would be higher, going by the fact that dude is generally accepted accross the nation, unlike UK who easily compares with RAO in devided opinion, my thoughts. . Your opinion bw Taz?
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
simonkabz
#46 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 12:33:52 PM
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tycho wrote:
@Simon, I don't think I am obsessed, I saw the Man yesterday and he seemed to be the one obsessed with the idea of foreign investment, he didn't mention these other things like 'tourism'.

And perhaps the reason why is because these sectors have been there all along and that there maybe a dearth of new ideas regarding them.

Oar has also talked about these sectors in an equally unconvincing manner. So if PK has some fresh ideas why isn't he mentioning them in his speeches? I don't think a website is more convincing than a verbal presentation that is always pressed for time!



I have not listened to him once, but many times. Every developing nation desperately needs FDI. It is more like the major ingredient in economic take off. Ever heard of China n South Korea? I also don't think UK fans can fairly scrutinize another candidate. Poking holes on PK's vision where as others have given us none is preposterous. PK's vision has been tested everywhere he has worked, so, I beg we give another reason for hating or disliking that young man, but not vision n ability.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
tom_boy
#47 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 1:00:25 PM
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Who is PK? What has he done for this country? Will I vote for someone based on his lofty ideas of what he can do for us that others have not done before? Will I vote for him because he is young? Or is it because he happens to be the new kid on the block? I ask again, what has he done for this country? Forget Gatanga. Gatanga constituency is not Kenya. For the time he has been in parliament, what has been his track record in speaking up against impunity and corruption. How much has he spoken up for the rule of law to be upheld. I have not heard him... at least not as clearly as I have heard some of the other presidential aspirants. In my opinion, the crime of omission is as bad as that of commission. Just lying low as bad things happen around you and not coming out strongly against them is as bad as joining the criminals. That for me is a strong indication of a spineless leader who will wax this and that way bouyed on the sands of time!
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
madollar
#48 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 4:33:47 PM
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This was in your face article about kenneth chances lol!

"Kenneth must know that running Kenya cannot be equated to managing the CDF for Gatanga"

"The pair thinks it can frighten any of the old hands at this game with Facebook numbers, Twitter .....

http://www.nation.co.ke/...18/-/gu2l58/-/index.html
Theu
#49 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 4:53:22 PM
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[quote=madollar]This was in your face article about kenneth chances lol!

"Kenneth must know that running Kenya cannot be equated to managing the CDF for Gatanga"

"The pair thinks it can frighten any of the old hands at this game with Facebook numbers, Twitter .....

http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/gu2l58/-/index.html[/quote]
Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you This is satire at its best!!! You seem not to get it.
Satire is a genre of literature, and sometimes graphic and performing arts, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, ideally with the intent of shaming individuals, and society itself, into improvement.[1] Although satire is usually meant to be funny, its greater purpose is often constructive social criticism, using wit as a weapon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

"The shared shortcomings of Peter Kenneth and his running mate stem from their similar background of deprivation and being raised on the false ethos of hard work, honesty, integrity and claptrap like that. It has never won elections — or Tuju would be the MP for Rarieda"

Our society is being held up to ridicule in that we reject such people and elect the opposite.
tassia
#50 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 7:50:14 PM
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@Theu.

Tell them. That article was actually about shaming the Kenyan Society for thinking The Raila Uhuru coalitions are better leaders than Kenneth and Tuju group.


Theu wrote:
[quote=madollar]This was in your face article about kenneth chances lol!

"Kenneth must know that running Kenya cannot be equated to managing the CDF for Gatanga"

"The pair thinks it can frighten any of the old hands at this game with Facebook numbers, Twitter .....

http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/gu2l58/-/index.html[/quote]
Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you This is satire at its best!!! You seem not to get it.
Satire is a genre of literature, and sometimes graphic and performing arts, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, ideally with the intent of shaming individuals, and society itself, into improvement.[1] Although satire is usually meant to be funny, its greater purpose is often constructive social criticism, using wit as a weapon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

"The shared shortcomings of Peter Kenneth and his running mate stem from their similar background of deprivation and being raised on the false ethos of hard work, honesty, integrity and claptrap like that. It has never won elections — or Tuju would be the MP for Rarieda"

Our society is being held up to ridicule in that we reject such people and elect the opposite.

wazuaguest
#51 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:09:58 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
Who is PK? What has he done for this country? Will I vote for someone based on his lofty ideas of what he can do for us that others have not done before? Will I vote for him because he is young? Or is it because he happens to be the new kid on the block? I ask again, what has he done for this country? Forget Gatanga. Gatanga constituency is not Kenya. For the time he has been in parliament, what has been his track record in speaking up against impunity and corruption. How much has he spoken up for the rule of law to be upheld. I have not heard him... at least not as clearly as I have heard some of the other presidential aspirants. In my opinion, the crime of omission is as bad as that of commission. Just lying low as bad things happen around you and not coming out strongly against them is as bad as joining the criminals. That for me is a strong indication of a spineless leader who will wax this and that way bouyed on the sands of time!

Standing up and demanding Mpigs pay taxes doesn't count as a national issue? why trust some one who cannot manage a CDF for heavens sake this is our tax money. We are setting a very low bar to our leaders.
Africa belongs to Africans.
kamundu
#52 Posted : Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:27:27 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
Who is PK? What has he done for this country? Will I vote for someone based on his lofty ideas of what he can do for us that others have not done before? Will I vote for him because he is young? Or is it because he happens to be the new kid on the block? I ask again, what has he done for this country? Forget Gatanga. Gatanga constituency is not Kenya. For the time he has been in parliament, what has been his track record in speaking up against impunity and corruption. How much has he spoken up for the rule of law to be upheld. I have not heard him... at least not as clearly as I have heard some of the other presidential aspirants. In my opinion, the crime of omission is as bad as that of commission. Just lying low as bad things happen around you and not coming out strongly against them is as bad as joining the criminals. That for me is a strong indication of a spineless leader who will wax this and that way bouyed on the sands of time!


Obama had done nothing for america when he was first elected president.
Your argument is faulty
Peace in our Homeland.
tom_boy
#53 Posted : Sunday, December 09, 2012 7:02:29 AM
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wazuaguest wrote:

Standing up and demanding Mpigs pay taxes doesn't count as a national issue? why trust some one who cannot manage a CDF for heavens sake this is our tax money. We are setting a very low bar to our leaders.


kamundu wrote:

Obama had done nothing for america when he was first elected president.
Your argument is faulty


@kamundu, I don't know about Obama politics and I frankly don't care.

@wazuaguest, It is good you have mentioned one issue that PK was vocal in. Please mention the others. What was his stand on the recent and past salary increases for MP's? Was he a hague proponent or a local tribunal guy? What has been his public stand on the judiciary and implementation of the new constitution? What is his stand on the ICC suspects? Mau forest? IDP's and their resettlement? Has he suggested publicly how IDP's should be resettled? I cannot vote for a leader who stands at a distance and only wades into controversy when it is safe to do so and public opinion is highly in his favour (read MPs paying taxes issue). I need a leader who is giving the right direction to the controversy right from the begining before most Kenyans even catch on to what the controversy is all about.
I would also be interested in knowing what is his rags to riches story.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
guru267
#54 Posted : Sunday, December 09, 2012 7:07:49 AM
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Elder wrote:
That slogan would lose them more votes than it would gain them.It is insulting. It implies that those who intend to vote other candidates don't use their brains.


@Elder in the past Kenyans have voted for their leaders with their tribe, their fear, their stomachs & their emotions!

But never before in Kenyas election history have Kenyans used their brain to vote! (there was a small attempt in 2002)

There are many other parts of the body we can vote with.. For example all those who are planning to tick Uhuru-ruto on the ballot paper have added a new category.. "VOTING WITH YOUR ASS"!!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
tycho
#55 Posted : Sunday, December 09, 2012 9:17:09 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Elder wrote:
That slogan would lose them more votes than it would gain them.It is insulting. It implies that those who intend to vote other candidates don't use their brains.


@Elder in the past Kenyans have voted for their leaders with their tribe, their fear, their stomachs & their emotions!

But never before in Kenyas election history have Kenyans used their brain to vote! (there was a small attempt in 2002)

There are many other parts of the body we can vote with.. For example all those who are planning to tick Uhuru-ruto on the ballot paper have added a new category.. "VOTING WITH YOUR ASS"!!


This is adding insult to injury. And also, it is under estimating the power of tribalism.

And why are you denigrating feelings?

It seems this PK club has nothing to do with humanity after all!

Watch out! The suspects and pseudo reformers have more appeal to Wanjiku's feelings and they may triumph on that account.

Or you don't care?
tycho
#56 Posted : Sunday, December 09, 2012 9:29:00 AM
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And if it's simply a matter of using 'brains' why aren't we also talking about Martha Karua?

I suspect she is even a better politician compared to any other contestant!
simonkabz
#57 Posted : Sunday, December 09, 2012 9:02:44 PM
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tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Elder wrote:
That slogan would lose them more votes than it would gain them.It is insulting. It implies that those who intend to vote other candidates don't use their brains.


@Elder in the past Kenyans have voted for their leaders with their tribe, their fear, their stomachs & their emotions!

But never before in Kenyas election history have Kenyans used their brain to vote! (there was a small attempt in 2002)

There are many other parts of the body we can vote with.. For example all those who are planning to tick Uhuru-ruto on the ballot paper have added a new category.. "VOTING WITH YOUR ASS"!!


This is adding insult to injury. And also, it is under estimating the power of tribalism.

And why are you denigrating feelings?

It seems this PK club has nothing to do with humanity after all!

Watch out! The suspects and pseudo reformers have more appeal to Wanjiku's feelings and they may triumph on that account.

Or you don't care?



Actually personally, I'm sad that such people IN FACT APPEAL to wanjiku. You still don't seem to understand that those characters don't appeal, but it's the game of tribal politics at play. I talk to many pple in shags, a vast majority like PK, but they believe UK will beat raira at the polls oh our interests etc. Nothing like ati they APPEAL TO WANJIKU. Actually, most of such kind of talk I hear it among the middo class. Wanjiku appears to know she is headed to a wilderness, but has no other choice apparently. Many will tell you, UK will/may not build this n that road, but will protect them from raira. What kind of a f***ed up society is this? And tycho is all over praising it?
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
tycho
#58 Posted : Sunday, December 09, 2012 9:46:37 PM
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@Simonkabz, I don't think I can praise tribalism or the 'suspects'.

In fact, if you look at my post you'll realize that I am trying to ask camp PK to also appeal to Wanjiku's positive emotions.

The expression 'tumia akili' seems to be disregarding people's feelings and 'capacities'.
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