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KQ orderd to reinstate sacked workers!!!
Impunity
#51 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:01:25 PM
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Jamani wrote:
Just thinking of the effects to shareholders and share price......


Sub-10 by this Friday!
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#52 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:13:13 PM
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kollabo wrote:
Where is the KQ lawyer who refused to "freeze" when an MP is talking?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

And you remind me of that scenario. How do you force a grown up man with body temperature of 37 degree Celsius to freeze in a room temperature of 25 degree?
Eish, even if the guy was seating on a sofa-ice he wont freeze fully.
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#53 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:17:54 PM
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Drobos fly wrote:
There is a probability that the tables will turn when KQ appeals. That judgement by the industrial court seems populist under some kind of political pressure, but lets wait and see.


i thought the judiciary had reformed and is now independent..... do we still have political pressure influencing judgement?
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#54 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:34:32 PM
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mazingira wrote:
Just an observation BA are cutting 400 jobs too ...it's on bbc news


BA is a Mammoth so 400 is a drop in a sea.
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#55 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:57:16 PM
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dunkang wrote:


@Drobos, i feel your pain but KQ can't win this case at all. Naikuni was misadviced by the company secretary big time. Mistreatment of the employees will lead to further loses for KQ. It should focus now on making use of the huge workforce.


The court made accusations which KQ had failed to do in order to warrant a retrenchment. Now say employees are reinstated. To make sure the case works for them this time, conditions may be arranged such that retrenchment will be the only way out.. its more like a rat trap, you bait it with food under the false pretense it will benefit when it's inside, but really the end is to rid of it right? I can't see it any other way coz the fastest way to cut losses is through lay offs (employees are an appreciating cost) because you have salaries as an expense to the company not an asset.

Same thing if you want to fly a plane and you realize that the plane can't lift off the first thing on your mind is offload excess language, not to go back to the garage and add a few more engines to give it the necessary thrust
Drobos fly
#56 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08:07 AM
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Jamani wrote:

i thought the judiciary had reformed and is now independent..... do we still have political pressure influencing judgement?


Lets take a practical example that happened recently not to long ago. Say I am an influential politician I comment "So and so should be reinstated back to work". Even before that comments becomes vaguely remembered you see things happening in sync with the comment. What do you call that?
Jamani
#57 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:31:03 AM
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Drobos fly wrote:
Jamani wrote:

i thought the judiciary had reformed and is now independent..... do we still have political pressure influencing judgement?


Lets take a practical example that happened recently not to long ago. Say I am an influential politician I comment "So and so should be reinstated back to work". Even before that comments becomes vaguely remembered you see things happening in sync with the comment. What do you call that?


I just call it a comment not political interference or political influence....
and what if from the same politician the comment has legal sound bases and the judge rules using the same legal bases what will you call it? Look at the MRC cases, Embakasi Mp case, Kibs cases where he has appointed without regard of the law, politicians made comments would you say the courts ruled based on political influence or the law?
Does it mean that if a political makes a comment on any legal matter then its political interference? do you imply that the judge made his ruling based on the comment and not legal facts?
McReggae
#58 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:38:40 AM
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I blame this on Naikuni's arrogance when he was down sizing!!!!
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#59 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:45:07 AM
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Drobos fly wrote:

The court made accusations which KQ had failed to do in order to warrant a retrenchment. Now say employees are reinstated. To make sure the case works for them this time, conditions may be arranged such that retrenchment will be the only way out.. its more like a rat trap, you bait it with food under the false pretense it will benefit when it's inside, but really the end is to rid of it right? I can't see it any other way coz the fastest way to cut losses is through lay offs (employees are an appreciating cost) because you have salaries as an expense to the company not an asset.

Same thing if you want to fly a plane and you realize that the plane can't lift off the first thing on your mind is offload excess language, not to go back to the garage and add a few more engines to give it the necessary thrust

I guess luggage
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#60 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:47:16 AM
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McReggae wrote:
I blame this on Naikuni's arrogance when he was down sizing!!!!


Management should have followed the laid down procedures based on both Kenya labour laws and their own internal policies and procedures. for me the guy who should be taking the beating on this one is the HR Director because this problem has been created in his technical domain.

Guys, by the way it is not that you cannot retrench or carry out redudancy process. But you MUST do it within the confines of the law!
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