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KQ orderd to reinstate sacked workers!!!
Gordon Gekko
#21 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 5:40:15 PM
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McReggae wrote:
guru267 wrote:
wtf??

on what grounds??


Wrongful termination!


So KQ can now do it rightfully? The workers are doomed, and they will never get good service letters for other employment when they are rightfully terminated.
sparkly
#22 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 5:46:27 PM
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McReggae wrote:
The industrial court has ordered KQ to reinstate the over 400 sacked workers by tommorrow!!!


What is this?

A tribunal cannot force parties into an employer/ employee relationship. KQ needs to move to the High Court pronto.
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mazingira
#23 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 6:37:13 PM
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Absolute utter rubbish ... The airline cannot sustain the workforce with the losses it's made ...does the court want KQ do shut down ...stupid
Caveman
#24 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 7:04:17 PM
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mazingira wrote:
Absolute utter rubbish ... The airline cannot sustain the workforce with the losses it's made ...does the court want KQ do shut down ...stupid

Shame on you Shame on you Who are you referring to?
Gadaffi
#25 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 7:09:01 PM
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Eveready n Olympia r about 2 hv a partner
eboomerang
#26 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 8:14:54 PM
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kollabo wrote:
Where is the KQ lawyer who refused to "freeze" when an MP is talking?

LoL Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
I remember that conversation btwn the MP and the lawyer, it should be archived for future generations to see how much ego you needed to be an MP
maka
#27 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 8:55:01 PM
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sparkly wrote:
McReggae wrote:
The industrial court has ordered KQ to reinstate the over 400 sacked workers by tommorrow!!!


What is this?

A tribunal cannot force parties into an employer/ employee relationship. KQ needs to move to the High Court pronto.

...Place a wager,the high court will still uphold the ruling this guys were given a legal opinion by some law firm they chose to ignore the whole thing and did it how they deemed fit according to them,the only solution....swallow your pride and do it as the court has directed...who should be blamed?A statement I came across 'ignorance is not, and never will be,
a defence – CEOs will be judged not on what they know, but on what they should have known'
possunt quia posse videntur
githundi
#28 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 10:07:09 PM
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... And they have been ordered to pay salaries from when they were retrenched till now.
Democracy does not belong to the dead
Pesa Nane
#29 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 10:15:44 PM
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sparkly wrote:
What is this?

A tribunal cannot force parties into an employer/ employee relationship. KQ needs to move to the High Court pronto.

Disturbing, disturbing. Somebody remind me when we dropped capitalism.

From BizDaily wrote:
“All the affected 447 unionisable employees are hereby reinstated to their roles at KQ held as of August 30 without loss of seniority, continuity, benefits and privileges,” Mr Justice Rika ruled in a judgement read over three hours......
He also found that the layoff had nothing to do with poor financial results........
The company also failed to consult with the government. “Its largest shareholder is the government of Kenya, which through the Prime Minister, called for consultations, a call that was ignored by the KQ management, d'oh! ” said the Judge....“Not every cyclic financial report of loss should be read as valid reason to justify retrenchment. d'oh!
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
murchr
#30 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 1:36:09 AM
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Welcome to Kenya.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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maka
#31 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:07:18 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
sparkly wrote:
What is this?

A tribunal cannot force parties into an employer/ employee relationship. KQ needs to move to the High Court pronto.

Disturbing, disturbing. Somebody remind me when we dropped capitalism.

From BizDaily wrote:
“All the affected 447 unionisable employees are hereby reinstated to their roles at KQ held as of August 30 without loss of seniority, continuity, benefits and privileges,” Mr Justice Rika ruled in a judgement read over three hours......
He also found that the layoff had nothing to do with poor financial results........
The company also failed to consult with the government. “Its largest shareholder is the government of Kenya, which through the Prime Minister, called for consultations, a call that was ignored by the KQ management, d'oh! ” said the Judge....“Not every cyclic financial report of loss should be read as valid reason to justify retrenchment. d'oh!

...The management brought this on themselves no matter how you look at it.
possunt quia posse videntur
marting
#32 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 8:57:48 AM
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Quote:
marting wrote:
Applause Applause Applause Applause
Corporates need to learn that there is a proper path to follow when "down sizing"
Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
just blindingly rushing a process without the due diligence needed and empathy in handling of hard working Kenyans, simply wont pass.
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! rethink the situation & they go for "take 2"
as a friend of mine stated, this shld be on IMAX Laughing out loudly


Does the highlighted statement also refer to KQ staff? Have you used their service the whole lot of them need to be replaced and their enumeration be based on the service they offer!
Quote:


The truth is Not ALLKQ experience is Bad experience, the Domestic flts are mostly rubbish, but i've used their services on intercontinental routes and mostly am filled with pride.....

the issue here is not the courts forcing a private company to maintain a blotted staff, the issue is how to carry out a successful separation exercise, and here KQ failed...
.Success is Intentional.
Kausha
#33 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:48:41 AM
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I am one of those who believe the staff were wrongfully terminated but I will also stick my neck out and say I find this judgement mediocre.

I found it wrong that KQ Mgt and BOD could justify to shareholders paying off about 1 Billion to staff in operational areas in the name of shedding off costs to defend margins while we know under project mawingu they will require more of the same staff. I would rather not have spent the 1B and added workload on staff under mawingu. I also know for a fact that it's not those staff responsible for payroll costs increases or the losses. We all know KQ is horribly operationally inefficient. That's the elephant in the room which the BOD and MGT will not look in the eye. So letting hapless staff take a bullet for this to me was MGT and BOD showing extreme cowardice.

In regard to the judgement, the judge acted Ultra Vires. Surely once MGT and BOD had gotten shareholder buy in into the retrenchment, it's ridiculous for the learned judge to attempt to arm wrestle the shareholders, BOD and MGT. He has no such powers. This judgement and the KK cases continue to paint the industrial court in bad light. It's obvious, there is need to get judges with commercial law practical experience in there because business understanding is missing in that court big time. The judgement is full of activism and meant for the gallery rather than being an inference of the labour and commercial laws of the land. I feel sorry for the staff because they are about to resume the ping pong game where the courts and BOD are on opposite sides of the court and they are the balls. This is a case which should have been referred to an arbitrator for the Union and KQ MGT& BOD to negotiate honestly. However using a judgement to arm wrestle management will only leave staff dejected. You bet MGT will ignore the court order and say they already reorganized the organization, positions and work stations and therefore as much as the judgement is live, the positions and jobs it refers to are moot. The only logical option is that the judge orders KQ to return the entire company to it's former set up which would again paint the judge as acting Ultra Vires. What happens to the money that the staff were paid as benefits (assuming it was paid to staff)???? how will it be offset assuming they resume work and are paid salaries from September. I just find this judgement nonsensical really. The judge is giving false hope to the staff. You can't stop shareholders from exercising their right to terminate staff contracts. What is required here is goodwill from both sides and that can only be achieved with an arbitrator not such judgements.
InnovateGuy
#34 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:49:18 AM
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I used to admire Naikuni Pray Pray Pray

Share's now trading at 11.65.

Things are thick.
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sparkly
#35 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 12:11:52 PM
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maka wrote:
sparkly wrote:
McReggae wrote:
The industrial court has ordered KQ to reinstate the over 400 sacked workers by tommorrow!!!


What is this?

A tribunal cannot force parties into an employer/ employee relationship. KQ needs to move to the High Court pronto.

...Place a wager,the high court will still uphold the ruling this guys were given a legal opinion by some law firm they chose to ignore the whole thing and did it how they deemed fit according to them,the only solution....swallow your pride and do it as the court has directed...who should be blamed?A statement I came across 'ignorance is not, and never will be,
a defence – CEOs will be judged not on what they know, but on what they should have known'


@Maka there is a serious error of law here. It is a well accepted principle under the common law that an employer/ employee relationship cannot be compelled, otherwise we will have something akin to sanctioned slavery.

The most that a court can order is that employees be dismissed proceduraly and they be paid their dues in full.
Life is short. Live passionately.
FundamentAli
#36 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 12:29:52 PM
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Reinstatement is an exercise in futility. There will be no job satisfaction for reinstated employees. KQ might comply with court orders but court cannot run KQ. Whichever tasks this employees are assigned, they will not be happy at the end of the day. It is hard to stay in a place they haveshown you not to be wanted. Most employees will opt for the handshake in place of legal action.
McReggae
#37 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 12:59:09 PM
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The employees given compulsory leave!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
mazingira
#38 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 1:28:37 PM
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Caveman wrote:
mazingira wrote:
Absolute utter rubbish ... The airline cannot sustain the workforce with the losses it's made ...does the court want KQ do shut down ...stupid

Shame on you Shame on you Who are you referring to?



Bwana caveman I do omba msamaha; but I must clarify that statement was regarding none other than I myself...reason...because I was fool enough to buy a large quota of my rights ...I was hedging against losses in Safcom but have ended up loosing far far far much more in KQ... Am kicking myself in the backside ...with what I invested in KQ I could have owned an extra 15000 Safcom shares and earned a comfortable 25k plus dividend instead of a sweet loss of nearly 25k Sad...a lot for a young investor with a small portfolio.
Jamani
#39 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 1:37:55 PM
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quote from Kausha

"I feel sorry for the staff because they are about to resume the ping pong game where the courts and BOD are on opposite sides of the court and they are the balls."

mazingira
#40 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:11:28 PM
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Just an observation BA are cutting 400 jobs too ...it's on bbc news
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