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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2008 Posts: 602
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richdad wrote: Quote:We are 1000 times better of with ICC suspects than the power hungry coup fellow.
What ODM said yesterday in Mombasa scares me. I will vote UHURUTO not because they are the best but its the only way to avoid the dictator.
care to explain what they said ama RINK? and is it the only way? come on! we got other choices "The chief danger in life is that you may take too many precautions" - Alfred adler
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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Much Know wrote:Africa has too many issues with ICC to take it seriously. Remember Al-Bashir was our guest when that constitution you are talking about was being promulgated. ICC is not a prefect to our new justice system. I would lump it with kadhi courts. The spirit of the constitutional provision does not supercede our national democratic interest. Every election is a referendum on leadership just as for the constitution. The voice of the people is? Not the voice of some Ghanian lady or Argentinian actor. That Gambian and Argentinian didn't say you cannot make your suspects presidents.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/1/2008 Posts: 1,098
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mawinder wrote:B.Timer wrote:
Kenya seems to be hurtling towards a cliff!
All caution seems have been thrown to the wind.
What, with Uhuru/Ruto ticket for the top leadership of this country in brazen disregard of;
The requirement and indeed the expectation of most Kenyans that, ICC accused persons cannot, and should not hold public office as influential as President and his deputy.
The imminent dire consequences for the Country, in the event of their ascension to power –economic crunch, Diplomatic isolation etc.
The sheer common decency, morality and respect for the people of Kenya – not to be led by suspected, criminals.
The awfully polarising effect of the candidature of the two – that portends a real risk of driving the country to yet another precipice.
One man that could steer the country from that most perilous route is KIBAKI.
In fact, he needed to show leadership on this crucial matter much earlier – by advising the country PUBLICLY that it was not our interest that ICC accused persons run for office.
That effortless act would have discouraged the duo from running, thereby helping the country remain calm and conducive to business.
It might be getting too late and that opportunity is quickly fading out.
This prompts the question;
WHERE DOES KIBAKI WANT KENYA TO GO?
Or
DOES HE CARE WHAT KENYA COULD BE COMING TO?
In the run up to 2007, signals that trouble awaited us were not acted upon effectively, leading to the regrettable aftermath that continues to haunt us to date.
It is troubling that the same see no evil, hear no evil attitude is to be applied yet again if the hitherto posturing is anything to go by.
Incidentally, does Kibaki care about Ethnic chauvinism/harmony in this Country. Is he content with being succeeded by a Man from his community – to become 4th President bearing in mind that amongst the last three, ONLY ONE was not from that community.
Does he care what the feeling would be in the other communities in the face of such an unhealthy situation/imbalance!
Whether or not Kibaki is a statesman is in serious test.
Silence is a form of communication – acquiescence, tacit approval.
I wait to be proven wrong, over to you.
kibaki has no such powers.The powers are vested in the constitution and acts of parliament and it is the judiciary to interpret the law.his opinion on the matter does not matter.as for the presidency being the preserve of one community should not arise as kenyans have a wide range of choices e.g tuju,madvd,kiyiapi,oar,kamenchu,wajackoya,mailu,wakoli,wetangula etc.nobody has forced kenyans to vote for a particular candidate. Well said!  What is the use of elections if it will vex our friends?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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Let the people decide, one man one vote thats democracy for you. MK is best advised to lie low and not appoint any successor like HEDAM tried. watu wapatane kwa debe! this is the best legacy he can leave I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2007 Posts: 326
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Much Know wrote:Africa has too many issues with ICC to take it seriously. Remember Al-Bashir was our guest when that constitution you are talking about was being promulgated. ICC is not a prefect to our new justice system. I would lump it with kadhi courts. The spirit of the constitutional provision does not supercede our national democratic interest. Every election is a referendum on leadership just as for the constitution. The voice of the people is? Not the voice of some Ghanian lady or Argentinian actor. @ much know...Bashir was never a guest of the kenyan holloi polloi; he was a guest of impunity inc. if your memory serves you right you would remember that he was jeered! and you would also remember that icc shuttle diplomacy was picking pace. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,588
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@Mo, you've got it backwards, ICC suffers the credibility crisis for me and other Africans, sooner or later it will be clear. Let me put it this way, Africa and it's leadership has a verdict pending against ICC not the other way round as you believe. In any case Al-Bashirs warrant was rejected(and a resolution passed to condemn it) by the AU, including the South Sudan, the most aggrieved people because it was SILLY, VERY SILLY TO issue such a warrant. Unless Africans are all SILLY. Let me put it thus, ICC has a condescending VERY SILLY attitude when dealing with Africa. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/23/2010 Posts: 40 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Much Know wrote:@Mo, you've got it backwards, ICC suffers the credibility crisis for me and other Africans, sooner or later it will be clear. Let me put it this way, Africa and it's leadership has a verdict pending against ICC not the other way round as you believe. In any case Al-Bashirs warrant was rejected(and a resolution passed to condemn it) by the AU, including the South Sudan, the most aggrieved people because it was SILLY, VERY SILLY TO issue such a warrant. Unless Africans are all SILLY. Let me put it thus, ICC has a condescending VERY SILLY attitude when dealing with Africa. About ICC n the stupid attitude, most of us know. So, is that reason enough why we should elect the two goons? TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Much Know wrote:@Mo, you've got it backwards, ICC suffers the credibility crisis for me and other Africans, sooner or later it will be clear. Let me put it this way, Africa and it's leadership has a verdict pending against ICC not the other way round as you believe. In any case Al-Bashirs warrant was rejected(and a resolution passed to condemn it) by the AU, including the South Sudan, the most aggrieved people because it was SILLY, VERY SILLY TO issue such a warrant. Unless Africans are all SILLY. Let me put it thus, ICC has a condescending VERY SILLY attitude when dealing with Africa. About ICC n the stupid attitude, most of us know. So, is that reason enough why we should elect the two goons? To defy ICC? That's being cheap. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/2/2007 Posts: 230 Location: London,SW
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ICC has little legitimacy in my mind until it decides to investigate the Bush and Blair for war crimes.In my opinion,ICC is just one of the Western tools for taming the weak and poor nations leadership to safeguard their(the west) own selfish interests.
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