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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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McReggae wrote:The risk of ICC......to who???? Consider "risk" in the more wider / general definition
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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Intelligentsia wrote:Rather than all these individual-centric debates taht are clearly not leading us anywhere, methinks it would be better to and far more beneficial for Kenya if we discussed where Kenya needs/ wants to go, the roadmap to that level (read middle income country), then the qualities of the kind of leader who would be best suited to lead us to that level. Then we can start tickin off the current candidates' qualities against this checklist, no?
That way, even if our famed ethnic bigotry glasses come on, at least a criterion is there against which to evaluate the candidates suitability for State Hse. Ama?
I support.... please start us off.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/17/2010 Posts: 1,163 Location: Sudan
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Intelligentsia wrote:Rather than all these individual-centric debates taht are clearly not leading us anywhere, methinks it would be better to and far more beneficial for Kenya if we discussed where Kenya needs/ wants to go, the roadmap to that level (read middle income country), then the qualities of the kind of leader who would be best suited to lead us to that level. Then we can start tickin off the current candidates' qualities against this checklist, no?
That way, even if our famed ethnic bigotry glasses come on, at least a criterion is there against which to evaluate the candidates suitability for State Hse. Ama?
 Need I clap more? "Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Liv wrote:McReggae wrote:The risk of ICC......to who???? Consider "risk" in the more wider / general definition @Liv you seem to have vested interest. Why? Or are you one of them?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Um Sayala wrote:@Liv .The red highliged part is just a small section of a whole phrase...paragraph actually.
May be we need to go back to our english teachers, or could you explain slowly what this para mean...among others that i responded to in my first post above?
"The country will be more divided, this can results(sic) in more animosity between tribes, will Kenya continue being governable? How will the rift valley people be reconciled?"
slowly,no emotions. Slowly gentlemen, i think @liv is passionately trying to tell us something here. Judging by the level of passion and zeal, my bet is that he is an insider in the uhuruto axis of evil. And he has given us a chance to understand the mindset of those two suspects. You may call their strategy desperate, pathetic, suicidal but they are cornered and they know the charade they are putting up will have to come to an end soon. Its the only thing left to do. Back to wazua, i offer to do the translation for @ liv. Bro, feel free to write in the language you use during the strategy meetings, i will translate here for free. Hoping the minor lexical differences between the kiambu and nyeri dialects will not come in the way.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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btw, I believe tunawesmake, not because I don't like Uhuruto n their tribal crap, but coz he has proven himself as an excellent manager. Kenya does not really need a LEADER per se, as all of them are, n have been ethnic kingpins. A good manager will automatically transform to a good leader by DEFAULT! Kibaki is only a fair manager, fairly liked accross the nation. This degree of liking translates to fair leadership. Uhunye doesn't come anywhere close, less the kikuyu nation. This is our home. Lets be patriotic pipo. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/31/2007 Posts: 146
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Good to be back and see constructive & deconstructive debates still the norm. Where did George Sorros go, I wonder? the ardent supporter of RAO.
If I recall, GS spelt doom for Kenya if Kibs won 2007 elections. Similar insinuations are being spelt out here at the thought of UK taking the mantle. After five years, arguments still run along the same lines.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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This is the problem of having an election which is based on a previous election.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Seriously @Lolest, where else do we base it???? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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McReggae wrote:Seriously @Lolest, where else do we base it???? We clearly dont have any issues to discuss or we are convinced that these guys are all the same. I am a culprit too. I have misgivings about the role of not just UHURUTO but also RAO in the chaos that engulfed the nation after the elections.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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@Lolest!Pamba is the biggest beneficiary of PEV.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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9hrs ago!!!! "If Kalonzo agrees to be Raila's running mate, we have a deal; Anything short of this amounts to be political nonsense - No Sweat!" ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/8/2007 Posts: 625 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:9hrs ago!!!!
"If Kalonzo agrees to be Raila's running mate, we have a deal; Anything short of this amounts to be political nonsense - No Sweat!" He was on record saying yesterday that they will vote to decide who will be the flag bearer.Its no brainer who will be!By him entering a deal baring a miracle of sorts, he should know that the other guy will be the the flag bearer! The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Nobby wrote:McReggae wrote:9hrs ago!!!!
"If Kalonzo agrees to be Raila's running mate, we have a deal; Anything short of this amounts to be political nonsense - No Sweat!" He was on record saying yesterday that they will vote to decide who will be the flag bearer.Its no brainer who will be!By him entering a deal baring a miracle of sorts, he should know that the other guy will be the the flag bearer! As usual of him: He said they might go for a nomination but he is also ready to be 2nd in command as long as 50:50!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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Liv wrote:simonkabz wrote:
... not some hopeless drunk who has made zero contribution to his very constituents,bearing all the hallmarks of a dictator with no perceived vision for our country. Uhuruto=MISERY. Nobody can convince me otherwise....not today, not ever.
Stop the hate.... Was Kibaki not described as you have described Uhuru in the above statement before he became president?.... drunk.... nothing tangible accomplished in Othaya.... yet VP for 10 years....?
Are you against UK because of this (drunkard) or because he is the Kenyan's sacrificial lamb to be offered at ICC? I will vote for RAO because of one simple fact; to let my young son know that you do not have to be born in certain parts of the country in order to become president. For all arguments that many of my friends have been giving, the preference for Uhuruto is mainly because of tribe. How else would someone vote for 1) people suspected of henious crimes 2)Someone who outrightly opposed the new consitution. The biggest threat to the new constitution is the Uhuruto alliance and that is a topic that needs to be introduced into the presidential debate. He spent nearly a decade in prison so that I could have the right to hold an opinion and express it even when that opinion is wrong. I will vote for RAO. And I am not from the lake.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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mawinder wrote:@Lolest!Pamba is the biggest beneficiary of PEV. No he is not. That is a lie peddled to discredit a winner robbed of his victory. The beneficiaries are Kenyans who got a new constitution. There would have been none without the coalition government. The victims are the millions of Kenyans who voted for change only to be presented with status quo.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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accelriskconsult wrote:Liv wrote:simonkabz wrote:
... not some hopeless drunk who has made zero contribution to his very constituents,bearing all the hallmarks of a dictator with no perceived vision for our country. Uhuruto=MISERY. Nobody can convince me otherwise....not today, not ever.
Stop the hate.... Was Kibaki not described as you have described Uhuru in the above statement before he became president?.... drunk.... nothing tangible accomplished in Othaya.... yet VP for 10 years....?
Are you against UK because of this (drunkard) or because he is the Kenyan's sacrificial lamb to be offered at ICC? I will vote for RAO because of one simple fact; to let my young son know that you do not have to be born in certain parts of the country in order to become president. For all arguments that many of my friends have been giving, the preference for Uhuruto is mainly because of tribe. How else would someone vote for 1) people suspected of henious crimes 2)Someone who outrightly opposed the new consitution. The biggest threat to the new constitution is the Uhuruto alliance and that is a topic that needs to be introduced into the presidential debate. He spent nearly a decade in prison so that I could have the right to hold an opinion and express it even when that opinion is wrong. I will vote for RAO. And I am not from the lake. thank you!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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accelriskconsult wrote:Liv wrote:simonkabz wrote:
... not some hopeless drunk who has made zero contribution to his very constituents,bearing all the hallmarks of a dictator with no perceived vision for our country. Uhuruto=MISERY. Nobody can convince me otherwise....not today, not ever.
Stop the hate.... Was Kibaki not described as you have described Uhuru in the above statement before he became president?.... drunk.... nothing tangible accomplished in Othaya.... yet VP for 10 years....?
Are you against UK because of this (drunkard) or because he is the Kenyan's sacrificial lamb to be offered at ICC? I will vote for RAO because of one simple fact; to let my young son know that you do not have to be born in certain parts of the country in order to become president. For all arguments that many of my friends have been giving, the preference for Uhuruto is mainly because of tribe. How else would someone vote for 1) people suspected of henious crimes 2)Someone who outrightly opposed the new consitution. The biggest threat to the new constitution is the Uhuruto alliance and that is a topic that needs to be introduced into the presidential debate. He spent nearly a decade in prison so that I could have the right to hold an opinion and express it even when that opinion is wrong. I will vote for RAO. And I am not from the lake. Please expand on how WSR and UMK have fought for this country...tusikie
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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nostoppingthis wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:Liv wrote:simonkabz wrote:
... not some hopeless drunk who has made zero contribution to his very constituents,bearing all the hallmarks of a dictator with no perceived vision for our country. Uhuruto=MISERY. Nobody can convince me otherwise....not today, not ever.
Stop the hate.... Was Kibaki not described as you have described Uhuru in the above statement before he became president?.... drunk.... nothing tangible accomplished in Othaya.... yet VP for 10 years....?
Are you against UK because of this (drunkard) or because he is the Kenyan's sacrificial lamb to be offered at ICC? I will vote for RAO because of one simple fact; to let my young son know that you do not have to be born in certain parts of the country in order to become president. For all arguments that many of my friends have been giving, the preference for Uhuruto is mainly because of tribe. How else would someone vote for 1) people suspected of henious crimes 2)Someone who outrightly opposed the new consitution. The biggest threat to the new constitution is the Uhuruto alliance and that is a topic that needs to be introduced into the presidential debate. He spent nearly a decade in prison so that I could have the right to hold an opinion and express it even when that opinion is wrong. I will vote for RAO. And I am not from the lake. Please expand on how WSR and UMK have fought for this country...tusikie Boss read the whole paragraph and you will see that I meant RAO.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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accelriskconsult wrote:Liv wrote:simonkabz wrote:
... not some hopeless drunk who has made zero contribution to his very constituents,bearing all the hallmarks of a dictator with no perceived vision for our country. Uhuruto=MISERY. Nobody can convince me otherwise....not today, not ever.
Stop the hate.... Was Kibaki not described as you have described Uhuru in the above statement before he became president?.... drunk.... nothing tangible accomplished in Othaya.... yet VP for 10 years....?
Are you against UK because of this (drunkard) or because he is the Kenyan's sacrificial lamb to be offered at ICC? I will vote for RAO because of one simple fact; to let my young son know that you do not have to be born in certain parts of the country in order to become president. For all arguments that many of my friends have been giving, the preference for Uhuruto is mainly because of tribe. How else would someone vote for 1) people suspected of henious crimes 2)Someone who outrightly opposed the new consitution. The biggest threat to the new constitution is the Uhuruto alliance and that is a topic that needs to be introduced into the presidential debate. He spent nearly a decade in prison so that I could have the right to hold an opinion and express it even when that opinion is wrong. I will vote for RAO. And I am not from the lake. do you have to mention you are not from the lake, tuko mbali, if thats the kind of reasoning we employ when electing leaders
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