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wavidani
#81 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:35:50 PM
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@hindi ni riu, like your unique name.
murchr
#82 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:41:08 PM
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No wazuan has used the train? I understand iko na Wi-fi ndani smile
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wavidani
#83 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:47:38 PM
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I would have thought the best solution, money permitting, would be to build an overpass/flyover, and remove all the roundabouts esp along Uhuru/Msa rd.
mukiha wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
mukiha wrote:

That's quite some generalisation! Who the "we" in that statement? It can't be all wazuans because I don't agree that story about roundabouts being the problem.

If you remove them, what will you put in their place?

Roundabouts are a very effective traffic control system if and only if motorists obey the rules of entry and exit. So the problem really is our idiot drivers who never obey traffic rules...

...and police officers who have no clue about traffic dynamics controlling the flow at roundabouts that have traffic lights!

So they allow vehicles from one side to flow for five minutes... by the time they complete a full cycle, some fellows have been waiting for 20 minutes...and the queue behind them is 5km long...blocking the the three other junctions behind ... and the whole city goes into grid-lock!

We should just remove the police and leave the roundabouts in place!

Perhaps we can leave only two cops to arrest the idiots who ignore the lights (and those who stop 3m past the lamp post then never realise when they lights go green)


@mukiha, I think you are wrong to a great extend.

One,the police do a good job,they open the road with more traffic and clear exit for longer than the road with less traffic or a jammed exit. In the developed world,cops regulate the timings of traffic lights during peak hours from a switch board. You simply can't program that on the busiest of roads.

Two, the roundabouts creates unnecessary delays negotiating. They should be replaced with cross junctions,especially the ones on uhuru highway. Take the Kenyatta avenue/uhuru highway roundabout.
If you open uhuru highway both ways,from university way and from haile selasie,stopping the inner most lane [for turning right] hence releasing the ones proceeding straight and those turning left,with the roundabout,you have to negotiate that semi circle before proceeding. Now compare that with cross junction. On the latter, you would just drive straight saving the time you would have lost negotiating the roundabout curve and achieving higher speeds.. Now picture when releasing all cars turning right,you have to negotiate three quarters of the damn roundabout, how much time is lost? Compare that to just turning right.

Roundabouts should go, there is a reason why you don't see them in most of the developed world.


Before proposing the removal of the Uhuru/Kenyatta roundabout {NB: for those who don't know what a pun is, that was a nice example!} please walk 50m east to the Kenyatta/Koinange cross junction and observe the chaos!

And here is a bit of history: in the early 1980s, the Car&General junction was a cross with traffic lights....chaos every day and we had much much fewer cars. The a bright traffic engineer at city hall converted it into a roundabout and removed the lights...problem solved...to this day, i might add!

murchr
#84 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:54:42 PM
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wavidani wrote:
I would have thought the best solution, money permitting, would be to build an overpass/flyover, and remove all the roundabouts esp along Uhuru/Msa rd.


That is in the pipeline. When the project starts, that train will be very busy and by the time its complete..the middo crass will have gotten used to walking to railway station. smile
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Mukiri
#85 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 7:04:00 PM
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hindi ni riu wrote:
Waa...middo klass si iko na chida! People wd rather drive to work and after work go to the treadmill and pay inflated gym cost than just walk when they can! SMH. Walking is healthy...take the train and save money, walk and save (on hospital bills becoz you have a mountain for a tummy)...take the train and save time....and in the long run...less cars to the CBD means less traffic snarlups, which might translate to less fair for guys using the matatus and less time taken in the jams in the instances you decide to drive to work.


...less pollution and less stress and a few more years to our lives.

I concur, roundabouts should be demolished in Nairobi. The city has outgrown them. Much as people resist change, its the way to go to ease traffic jams. What do planners in city hall do?

Proverbs 19:21
mkeiyd
#86 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 12:12:54 PM
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mukiha wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:


Roundabouts should go, there is a reason why you don't see them in most of the developed world.


Before proposing the removal of the Uhuru/Kenyatta roundabout {NB: for those who don't know what a pun is, that was a nice example!} please walk 50m east to the Kenyatta/Koinange cross junction and observe the chaos!

And here is a bit of history: in the early 1980s, the Car&General junction was a cross with traffic lights....chaos every day and we had much much fewer cars. The a bright traffic engineer at city hall converted it into a roundabout and removed the lights...problem solved...to this day, i might add!


@mukiha, The reason why UK has roundabouts has little to do with their effectiveness, think the London taxi,is it the best design for taxis? It's all about tradition/heritage/culture.
London ain't the only first world city,that's why i said most of the developed world.

About the chaos on that Koinange junction, those chaos are down to drivers not observing traffic lights/rules.
If in both cases driver adhere to rules and lights, a cross junction beats a roundabout hands down.
mukiha
#87 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 2:13:31 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
mukiha wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:


Roundabouts should go, there is a reason why you don't see them in most of the developed world.


Before proposing the removal of the Uhuru/Kenyatta roundabout {NB: for those who don't know what a pun is, that was a nice example!} please walk 50m east to the Kenyatta/Koinange cross junction and observe the chaos!

And here is a bit of history: in the early 1980s, the Car&General junction was a cross with traffic lights....chaos every day and we had much much fewer cars. The a bright traffic engineer at city hall converted it into a roundabout and removed the lights...problem solved...to this day, i might add!


@mukiha, The reason why UK has roundabouts has little to do with their effectiveness, think the London taxi,is it the best design for taxis? It's all about tradition/heritage/culture.
London ain't the only first world city,that's why i said most of the developed world.

About the chaos on that Koinange junction, those chaos are down to drivers not observing traffic lights/rules.
If in both cases driver adhere to rules and lights, a cross junction beats a roundabout hands down.



If drivers obey the rules AND we remove the lights; the roundabout provides smooth flow of traffic while the cross must be made a "boxed" junction whose flow is inherently staccato.

While a roundabout allows many cars inside at the same time, the boxed cross allows only one at a time!

Remember: we are assuming that drivers obey the rules in both cases.
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mukiha
#88 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 2:15:19 PM
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wazua admin: could you please prune all the posts discussing roundabouts vs cross junctions and move them to a new thread?

I will start one....
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Impunity
#89 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 10:45:26 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Impunity,ditto especially makerege.


Yeah, yuko shini sana in matters general knowledge.
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Impunity
#90 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:32:05 PM
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What was the occupancy of the train today?
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