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Men and toys.....Mwatha and co.
Njung'e
#1 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:12:25 PM
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@JK,

Some of the prices found in AutoTrader seem absolutely ridiculous.Old man is a fan of the S-Jagi-uwa and it's unbelieable that there are quite a good number at sub 5K pounds (Take a look at this one at less than 3K).....How much then would it take to land it here?....I feel like spoiling ma'self.smile

http://www.autotrader.co...stcode/nw25ab?logcode=p

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mawinder
#2 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:31:15 PM
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The other day you bought an MG,now this one.anyway if the prices on autotrader are true,i may think of acquiring some to sell to the incoming governors,senators and mpigs.
quicksand
#3 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:44:41 PM
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But the catch is KRA changed the regime of valuing cars,...so they will probably refer to a possible CMC price tag when new (and not the 2995 pounds), knock off depreciation depending on year of manufacture, classify it as a luxury vehicle and slap the ..is it 114% tax on the valuation??
Anyway, something like that. At the end of it all you would probably end up paying 5+ million.
I stand corrected.
vky
#4 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:03:52 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
@JK,

Some of the prices found in AutoTrader seem absolutely ridiculous.Old man is a fan of the S-Jagi-uwa and it's unbelieable that there are quite a good number at sub 5K pounds (Take a look at this one at less than 3K).....How much then would it take to land it here?....I feel like spoiling ma'self.smile

http://www.autotrader.co...stcode/nw25ab?logcode=p


thats a fit rax doesn't come cheap, while still in the UK expect to pay the buy price after doing a vehicle check detailing any encumbrances on the car this service costs £30 per check, then you have port drlivery charges depending on where the seller of the car is located it may cost as low as 100 quid and upwards of 500 quid, then you have JEVIC inspection which costs 135 quid + VAT, then we have the shipping charges which starts at 730 quid for ro ro. then you have to pay the guy who will do all this his cut which is normaly 10% of the cars value or a fixed reserve price when it lands in mombasa expect to pay taxes which will be between 1.152m and 1.320m for that car model, then add an extra 50k for clearing agent fees and port charges after that u can go pick your toy or have it delivered at a cost
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Njung'e
#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:37:23 PM
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@Vky
You are a taxman.....You mst be smiling with that bill....smile Thanks a bunch.

@Mawinder,
The MG is in the works for fun.......While at it,the MG will require a nice leather upholstery make-up.....if you know a master upholstery craftsman in Nairobi,Nakuru,Eldie or Kisum Citi,si usaidie Guka.
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JkMwatha
#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:13:29 PM
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vky wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
@JK,

Some of the prices found in AutoTrader seem absolutely ridiculous.Old man is a fan of the S-Jagi-uwa and it's unbelieable that there are quite a good number at sub 5K pounds (Take a look at this one at less than 3K).....How much then would it take to land it here?....I feel like spoiling ma'self.smile

http://www.autotrader.co...stcode/nw25ab?logcode=p


thats a fit rax doesn't come cheap, while still in the UK expect to pay the buy price after doing a vehicle check detailing any encumbrances on the car this service costs £30 per check, then you have port drlivery charges depending on where the seller of the car is located it may cost as low as 100 quid and upwards of 500 quid, then you have JEVIC inspection which costs 135 quid + VAT, then we have the shipping charges which starts at 730 quid for ro ro. then you have to pay the guy who will do all this his cut which is normaly 10% of the cars value or a fixed reserve price when it lands in mombasa expect to pay taxes which will be between 1.152m and 1.320m for that car model, then add an extra 50k for clearing agent fees and port charges after that u can go pick your toy or have it delivered at a cost



@vky - Good info there...
@ Njung'e -- there are also other things to check... With these tough times people are taking short cuts and being a little economical with the truth.

e.g.
- budget tyres should prompt you to check if the seller/previous owner was being economical with servicing (but not always)
- avoid saying you are exporting the car while making enquiries as they may only be too happy to lie knowing that once the car is out of the country you are not likely to return it should it develop any issues
- etc..

But with all that, Jaguars do not hold their value well in UK.... So it could be a bargain.
I have had a few order for jags to Kenya

Mukiri
#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:37:22 PM
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luttz
#8 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:34:02 AM
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@ Guka! Fantastic ride for an old man; in old age, use the big 4X4's only when using the services of a driver.

@ JK: You have been in this industry for long; how reliable (quality wise) are the UK cars? Been toying with an idea of Jeep (G Cherokee), X5, ML320 or Prado L5 invincible. I am not a Japanese person as such but the Prado's 8 seat capacity is tempting. Still searching within myself and will decide at the appropriate time next year (as I retire)
"You've never lived until you've almost died; for those who have fought for it, life has a flavour the protected will never know."
mawinder
#9 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:09:06 AM
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luttz,do i know you?are you the one selling a merc s350?
hamburglar
#10 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:55:48 AM
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If I were you, I would stay away from the Jag S-Type....Don't get me wrong, the car is a gem, comes with all the bells and whistles of a luxury vehicle but the mechanical issues are a dime a dozen...Transmission on S-Types are guaranteed to blow once the car gets around 75k miles and the shocks wear out so miserably after a while you feel like you are riding in a Datsun 160J.

I had one of those, was great when it was new but as soon as the miles start piling up, it gets really temperamental and things really start breaking down....Plus the parts can be very prohibitive, unless you are brave enough to take it to a regular mechanic and not a Jag dealer which I don't know if there is in Kenya....They also don't hold their value very well liek somebody said on this thread....

With that said, I find it ironic that I say all this but would definitely still consider buying another one down the road, especially the 4.0L which has a ton of power to compliment the good looks...Nice car, beautiful look but prone to mechanical problems and they are many on this car, trust me.....

BUT, if you are able to, get one with all white interior, that thing looks regal, you won't be mocked for periodically thinking that you are riding in a rolls.....The white interior when kept clean is really gorgeous, a real panty dropper, lol...The Jag is fantastic though if you want luxury and not neccessarily top notch engineering ala Benz 500 or BMW 750 IL....
luttz
#11 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:54:35 AM
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@ mawinder! How I wish I drive "SHILINGI" yaani S Classsmile . I am "common class" guy (C-class). Its my first cousin selling; I can bargain for you if interested. The C-class is up for sale as I try to upgrade to 4X4.
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mawinder
#12 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:55:52 AM
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luttz,his price is a bit high.assist me bargain for the s350.my email is ellyodhong@gmail.com.will appreciate
luttz
#13 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:01:20 AM
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@ Mawinder! Check your mail, thanks
"You've never lived until you've almost died; for those who have fought for it, life has a flavour the protected will never know."
Njung'e
#14 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:58:26 AM
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@Hamburglar,

Oops!!...The way you demonise the beauty.Okay,you have the experience and i am not doubting.If the suspension starts croaking at 75K,then,it's a cardboard and so much unlike British engineering.Should i stick with the jeremans then?

@Luttz/Mwatha,
Thanks guys.

@Vky,
I have tried to calculate duty for a 3L petrol engine 2005 Jag but it's not as high as you put it.
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vky
#15 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:43:59 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
@Hamburglar,

Oops!!...The way you demonise the beauty.Okay,you have the experience and i am not doubting.If the suspension starts croaking at 75K,then,it's a cardboard and so much unlike British engineering.Should i stick with the jeremans then?

@Luttz/Mwatha,
Thanks guys.

@Vky,
I have tried to calculate duty for a 3L petrol engine 2005 Jag but it's not as high as you put it.

got those figures from spreadsheets from the KRA website, however you should note that whatever you calculate using the KRA spreads is only tentative and only your agent can tell you the exact taxes to be paid once he puts in a n entry in the simba system take for instance I am in the process of clearing a ford focus from Uk when I calculated the payable tax I was getting 222k but when my agent put in an entry I ended up paying 230k
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JkMwatha
#16 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 12:39:48 AM
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luttz wrote:
@ ...

@ JK: You have been in this industry for long; how reliable (quality wise) are the UK cars? Been toying with an idea of Jeep (G Cherokee), X5, ML320 or Prado L5 invincible. I am not a Japanese person as such but the Prado's 8 seat capacity is tempting. Still searching within myself and will decide at the appropriate time next year (as I retire)


Cherokee, X5, ML, LC5... are all good ("in the eye of the beholder"). Depends on what you want to do with the car , where you will be using it etc...
The car that will hold its value best is that LC5. The prices of Land Cruisers - including the VX (as well as Hilux)in the UK are artificially high because of the export Market - RHD countries (... yes, especially Kenya!).
Despite that, those Toyotas would still be my best choice.... I just love cars that 'refuse' to de-value.
Somehow I find that the cars from UK look better than those from the East.... especially the finish....Hence in Kenya they will command better prices.

I don't buy the story that an import from Japan is in any way better... (gearbox/suspension/or anything mechanical)... than the same model vehicle from UK.

What I would buy is that a brand new locally (Kenya) sold one may have sturdier suspension.

<<<my opinion>>>
luttz
#17 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 8:51:56 AM
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Thanks JK! Yea the finishing and the extras on UK cars is superb and cannot be compared with Japanese sourced vehicles. I agree the L5 is fantastic; and being an off road guy, it would be appropriate. Apparently there is no much difference in pricing with Japan. Will see how to go about it when ready.

Cheers
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sitaki.kujulikana
#18 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 8:57:29 AM
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JkMwatha wrote:
luttz wrote:
@ ...

@ JK: You have been in this industry for long; how reliable (quality wise) are the UK cars? Been toying with an idea of Jeep (G Cherokee), X5, ML320 or Prado L5 invincible. I am not a Japanese person as such but the Prado's 8 seat capacity is tempting. Still searching within myself and will decide at the appropriate time next year (as I retire)


Cherokee, X5, ML, LC5... are all good ("in the eye of the beholder"). Depends on what you want to do with the car , where you will be using it etc...
The car that will hold its value best is that LC5. The prices of Land Cruisers - including the VX (as well as Hilux)in the UK are artificially high because of the export Market - RHD countries (... yes, especially Kenya!).
Despite that, those Toyotas would still be my best choice.... I just love cars that 'refuse' to de-value.
Somehow I find that the cars from UK look better than those from the East.... especially the finish....Hence in Kenya they will command better prices.

I don't buy the story that an import from Japan is in any way better... (gearbox/suspension/or anything mechanical)... than the same model vehicle from UK.

What I would buy is that a brand new locally (Kenya) sold one may have sturdier suspension.

<<<my opinion>>>

apart from the small trucks and buses assembled locally, I thought even the local guys who sell new cars import them from the west and the east.

the Japanese have some "draconian" laws when it comes to maintaining a car - I think that’s why some prefer cars from there
Gordon Gekko
#19 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 12:02:23 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
@JK,

Some of the prices found in AutoTrader seem absolutely ridiculous.Old man is a fan of the S-Jagi-uwa and it's unbelieable that there are quite a good number at sub 5K pounds (Take a look at this one at less than 3K).....How much then would it take to land it here?....I feel like spoiling ma'self.smile

http://www.autotrader.co...stcode/nw25ab?logcode=p



Mid-life crisis. Not to worry, I'm thinking of getting a Harley Davidson, complete with red head bandana and black leather jacket.
JkMwatha
#20 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 12:22:15 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
JkMwatha wrote:

What I would buy is that a brand new locally (Kenya) sold one may have sturdier suspension.

<<<my opinion>>>

apart from the small trucks and buses assembled locally, I thought even the local guys who sell new cars import them from the west and the east.

the Japanese have some "draconian" laws when it comes to maintaining a car - I think that’s why some prefer cars from there


What I meant was that as much as they are imported, they are desgned specifically for the Kenyan market from the point of manufacture...

an example would be ....
If you buy a diesel Land Rover/Range Rover from CMC its fuel system can handle diesel with higher Sulphur content.... where as the one produced for UK market are designed to take a max of 300ppm (parts per million)of sulpur content...yet some stations in Kenya may have more than that... probably 500-800ppm. (although I think the standard in Kenya changed and is supposed to be <50ppm.)
http://www.peopleandplan...section=37&topic=23
http://en.wikipedia.org/...lfur_diesel#cite_note-2


I'm no expert in this so someone could correct me on this...
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