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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Gordon Gekko wrote:guru267 wrote:eboomerang wrote:What is the cost of using a mat since the expected train ride prices are unrealistic, or who are expected to use these trains at that price?
@eboomerang the trains are meant for motorists.. The prices are cheaper than fuel + parking fees in town combined! Have you factored in the cost from Nairobi Railway station to my office(Westlands)  So you want the railway extended to your office?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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jaggernaut wrote:Gordon Gekko wrote:guru267 wrote:eboomerang wrote:What is the cost of using a mat since the expected train ride prices are unrealistic, or who are expected to use these trains at that price?
@eboomerang the trains are meant for motorists.. The prices are cheaper than fuel + parking fees in town combined! Have you factored in the cost from Nairobi Railway station to my office(Westlands) So you want the railway extended to your office? Ouch !
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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aemathenge wrote:jaggernaut wrote:Gordon Gekko wrote:guru267 wrote:eboomerang wrote:What is the cost of using a mat since the expected train ride prices are unrealistic, or who are expected to use these trains at that price?
@eboomerang the trains are meant for motorists.. The prices are cheaper than fuel + parking fees in town combined! Have you factored in the cost from Nairobi Railway station to my office(Westlands) So you want the railway extended to your office? Ouch ! I'm with Gekko on this one... Wrong target market... they should have aimed at the commonest mwananchi first... How much is fare from Kitengela to tao...? Who are the targeted residents? guys from Kite, southlands? Why would one leave the car miles away(safety), get dropped at Railways then figure out how to get to the office at viewpark towers/westie/ museum area?(convenience) They should have targeted guys who wont have to worry about letting Toyota 'Hotcakes' from their sites... commuters comfortable walking from railways to say UoN people who dont have meetings here n there in the course of the day, mostly at the desk...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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githundi wrote:From the face of it, the prices look unrealistic. Most users of rail transport are watu wa kawaida, the guy who waits for fares to go down.1. Wrong target market. 2. Not many people work around the rail transport, and i don't think they will be willing to walk up and down the city. I mean why do people buy cars; convinience, ease of movement and comfort. 3. Most of the passengers are standing. Why should i pay 100 to stand. It defeats logic. I'd rather be up early to avoid these inconviniences. I don't know why, but until the entire city transport is rationalized, this remains just but another white elephant. U missed the point, the target market is the motorists from Athiriver, Machakos and its environs. The wo/man who will park his/her car board the train save the fuel and time that he would have spent on traffic. Its not the man who even if he's charged 10/- he will wait for it at the corner to dandia it. 2. You dont have to work around railway, but u can board a bus to ur office/town etc from railways. 3. Commuter rails and buses in major cities around the world have provision for standing some people dont like sitting..if the train is full and u have to get to work, simama...kwani? You gave an example of you being early and enjoyn ur luxury, that is ur choice...others will choose otherwise. Soon, it will be very expensive to have ur car in the city, with the intro of tolls, traffic fines, fuel levy and high parking fees..reli mtapanda "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/17/2010 Posts: 1,163 Location: Sudan
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murchr wrote:githundi wrote:From the face of it, the prices look unrealistic. Most users of rail transport are watu wa kawaida, the guy who waits for fares to go down.1. Wrong target market. 2. Not many people work around the rail transport, and i don't think they will be willing to walk up and down the city. I mean why do people buy cars; convinience, ease of movement and comfort. 3. Most of the passengers are standing. Why should i pay 100 to stand. It defeats logic. I'd rather be up early to avoid these inconviniences. I don't know why, but until the entire city transport is rationalized, this remains just but another white elephant. U missed the point, the target market is the motorists from Athiriver, Machakos and its environs. The wo/man who will park his/her car board the train save the fuel and time that he would have spent on traffic. Its not the man who even if he's charged 10/- he will wait for it at the corner to dandia it. 2. You dont have to work around railway, but u can board a bus to ur office/town etc from railways. 3. Commuter rails and buses in major cities around the world have provision for standing some people dont like sitting..if the train is full and u have to get to work, simama...kwani? You gave an example of you being early and enjoyn ur luxury, that is ur choice...others will choose otherwise. Soon, it will be very expensive to have ur car in the city, with the intro of tolls, traffic fines, fuel levy and high parking fees..reli mtapanda @ Muchir...Hapo umenena kama prophetess Syokimau. Going long term reli ndio njia. nataka kuinvest on a new route. Katani-syokimau estate- Syoki railway stn and back. "Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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why are people reasoning as if this service is in the planning stages? Just simply walk to the CBD railway station at arrival/departure times and see if there are people using it!
All the marketing theories presented here mean nothing!
The service is on and all you need to is find out if there are people using it.
Remember; it carries only 1,200 people per trip. Compare that to the estimated 1.5 million who enter the CBD each working day
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/25/2009 Posts: 973
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Caveat passenger: 70 seated + 120 standing in each coach must be a pickpockets wet dream!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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chiaroscuro wrote:why are people reasoning as if this service is in the planning stages? Just simply walk to the CBD railway station at arrival/departure times and see if there are people using it!
All the marketing theories presented here mean nothing!
The service is on and all you need to is find out if there are people using it.
Remember; it carries only 1,200 people per trip. Compare that to the estimated 1.5 million who enter the CBD each working day FYI: If I lived in that side of town, I'd use it daily to go to work instead of driving to town... and I work near the university of Nairobi
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 249 Location: nairobi
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murchr wrote:githundi wrote:From the face of it, the prices look unrealistic. Most users of rail transport are watu wa kawaida, the guy who waits for fares to go down.1. Wrong target market. 2. Not many people work around the rail transport, and i don't think they will be willing to walk up and down the city. I mean why do people buy cars; convinience, ease of movement and comfort. 3. Most of the passengers are standing. Why should i pay 100 to stand. It defeats logic. I'd rather be up early to avoid these inconviniences. I don't know why, but until the entire city transport is rationalized, this remains just but another white elephant. U missed the point, the target market is the motorists from Athiriver, Machakos and its environs. The wo/man who will park his/her car board the train save the fuel and time that he would have spent on traffic. Its not the man who even if he's charged 10/- he will wait for it at the corner to dandia it. 2. You dont have to work around railway, but u can board a bus to ur office/town etc from railways. 3. Commuter rails and buses in major cities around the world have provision for standing some people dont like sitting..if the train is full and u have to get to work, simama...kwani? You gave an example of you being early and enjoyn ur luxury, that is ur choice...others will choose otherwise. Soon, it will be very expensive to have ur car in the city, with the intro of tolls, traffic fines, fuel levy and high parking fees..reli mtapanda i dont think the railway parking at syokimau is free...we need the numbers to compare.. The railway is NOT at syokimau but KAPA, meaning even syokimau residents have to walk or connect a boda boda or drive for 2km only to leave their cars and pay for parking,then upon reaching railway station in nairobi, walk another 2km/ connect to upper hill or viewpark towers and do the same in the evening... fare from mlolongo/ athi river/ kite/syokimau to town is 70-80bob. if u connect to railway at syoki then 20-30bob, then pay 100, then stand to to c.b.d........  i dont get it...its a white elephant.... ..desire to succeed is always fighting with fear of failure..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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White Elephant is too strong a word for this. But the fare is a bit on the higher side. Can someone give a feedback on the current state of utilization? It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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