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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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essyk wrote:What does 'AMBUSH AREA' mean?
If they knew it was,why was it hard to avoid the place or send spies to survey the place first?
Poor boys.
Gal, this is a bit insensitive. No one is SUPPOSED TO SURVIVE A WELL LAID AMBUSH. No one. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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essyk wrote:What does 'AMBUSH AREA' mean?
If they knew it was,why was it hard to avoid the place or send spies to survey the place first?
Poor boys.
Gal, this is a bit insensitive. No one is SUPPOSED TO SURVIVE A WELL LAID AMBUSH. No one. So, if no one is supposed to survive, how would anybody know in advance? TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:Lolest! wrote:National Security Council orders deployment of KDF in Samburu. Just got the alert. I almost feel for those people, hell is about to befall them. This will be the last we hear of cattle rustling ....for a long time. What will follow technically is localized civil war. Silly bandits.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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quicksand wrote:Mukiri wrote:Lolest! wrote:National Security Council orders deployment of KDF in Samburu. Just got the alert. I almost feel for those people, hell is about to befall them. This will be the last we hear of cattle rustling ....for a long time. What will follow technically is localized civil war. Silly bandits. Thing is there were non-Turkanas, supposedly South Sudaneses. Will we cross borders to our new brothers? How will they take this? I've worked in South Sudan, those boys don't joke! And they've been at war for sometime, another somalia? Kony is also rumored to be holed there.. This will be a movie. horror movie!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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Mukiri wrote:quicksand wrote:Mukiri wrote:Lolest! wrote:National Security Council orders deployment of KDF in Samburu. Just got the alert. I almost feel for those people, hell is about to befall them. This will be the last we hear of cattle rustling ....for a long time. What will follow technically is localized civil war. Silly bandits. Thing is there were non-Turkanas, supposedly South Sudaneses. Will we cross borders to our new brothers? How will they take this? I've worked in South Sudan, those boys don't joke! And they've been at war for sometime, another somalia? Kony is also rumored to be holed there.. This will be a movie. horror movie! Let Ole MELTito do to them what Ariel Sharon did to Egypt in 1967! (For toddlers in wazua Ariel Sharon led an army onslaught on Egptian army from Sayanai althrough entire Egyptian territory to somewhere in Sudan desert, yaani let our army mboys chase the bandits all the way to Chad) BBC: This is the worst police massacre in a single event in the entire Kenyan history!  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:Mukiri wrote:quicksand wrote:Mukiri wrote:Lolest! wrote:National Security Council orders deployment of KDF in Samburu. Just got the alert. I almost feel for those people, hell is about to befall them. This will be the last we hear of cattle rustling ....for a long time. What will follow technically is localized civil war. Silly bandits. Thing is there were non-Turkanas, supposedly South Sudaneses. Will we cross borders to our new brothers? How will they take this? I've worked in South Sudan, those boys don't joke! And they've been at war for sometime, another somalia? Kony is also rumored to be holed there.. This will be a movie. horror movie! Let Ole MELTito do to them what Ariel Sharon did to Egypt in 1967! (For toddlers in wazua Ariel Sharon led an army onslaught on Egptian army from Sayanai althrough entire Egyptian territory to somewhere in Sudan desert, yaani let our army mboys chase the bandits all the way to Chad) BBC: This is the worst police massacre in a single event in the entire Kenyan history! ...you cannot compare Kenya to Israel its like comparing a vx to a tuk tuk,we are not a war like nation...and this guys are wasting our kdf they should be doing something constructive elsewhere... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/17/2010 Posts: 1,163 Location: Sudan
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simonkabz wrote:Um Sayala wrote:I concur with a Mr Wafula
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Evans Wafula 13 November 2012 3:31 PM
The buck stops with the ground commanders,seriously!but the whole police force falls under you.You are incharge,and therefore you have to take responsibilty.It's like a coach saying that the buck stops with the players.You are the police commissioner must set guidelines,rules or engagements and Standard Operating Procedures to be strictly enforced and followed.For example,there have to be a rule that such operations have only to be done with officers that are familiar with the terrain.That such operations have to be carried out with air support.That such operations have to be carried out with police/officers clad in bullet proof vesist and ballistic helmets.Iteere is the one that has to carry the cross.He can blame the ground commanders all he can,but the buck stops with him.What has he tried to do to improve the police?What reforms has he implemented?He had not tried to fight to his foot soldiers.Has ever asked the government to procure protection gears like bullet proof vests?Many life would have been saved.Or ask the governement to buy armoured vehicles to deal with such missions. Media sensationalization and side shows. Iteere dont listen to anyone. Was anybody here present to determine the CONTEXT of Iteere's answer, which was right anyway? NO I disagreeMISSION COMMAND gentlemen.
"Tell them what to do, let them go on determining how best to do it, as long as it follows your intent and Concept of Operations." Gen S Patton, US Army.
Iteere wanted the livestock recovered (primary objective). The local police comanders should determine how best to do it, so long as the objective is attained.
Mission Command follows a docrinal template. the higher Comdr gives his intent, and most importantly allocates resources equivalent to the task then gives the junior comdr the leeway on HOW BEST to execute the mission. Several quiz Iteere should answer:
1. Were the forces well trained and equiped to handle the bandits?. NO you just answered yourself that the army should have gone. So why did police go, who sent them?
2. In Mission command, the responsibility still lies with the higher comdr, he takes credit when mission succeeds, and takes blame for the opposite. Has Iteere accepted responsibilty?That aside, it should be brought to light that Suguta is no walk in the park, and Police should not have been pushed to go to such a dangerous TERRITORY, in fact, for the sake of the future, it should be in writing, no one shall venture into Suguta valley other than KDF. Practically, only the Armoured Battallion and attack helicopters usually venture there and they do a thorough job. Now picture our hapless unprotected inexperienced Metropolitan police in such a dangerous front facing the ngoroko/toposa/turkana/merille without even an immediate backup which would be useless anyway (apart from collecting their dead colleagues) walking hopelessly in a canalized and ideal killing ground. Rout. Let our security apparatus learn a serious n hard lesson in this. Let not those precious souls go in vain. "Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/17/2010 Posts: 1,163 Location: Sudan
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simonkabz wrote:[quote=essyk]What does 'AMBUSH AREA' mean?
If they knew it was,why was it hard to avoid the place or send spies to survey the place first?
Poor boys.
Gal, this is a bit insensitive. No one is SUPPOSED TO SURVIVE A WELL LAID AMBUSH. No one. So, if no one is supposed to survive, how would anybody know in advance?[/quote] No there are anti-ambush drills. and they work so well, ask KDF how many ambushes they had in somalia and how they managed to counter the same. Time spent in Recce and int is not time wasted. "Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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This is the problem of building up a police force that is very good at extra judicial killings but terrible at investigations skills. Iteere's head is on this and as well as ALL the former police commandants. The blood of these brave Kenyans is in their hands. Don't forget the gov'ts of Kenyatta, Moi and now Kibaki. Please lets help our mboys be equipped to deal with the 21st century thugs. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/9/2012 Posts: 63
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alma wrote:This is the problem of building up a police force that is very good at extra judicial killings but terrible at investigations skills.
Iteere's head is on this and as well as ALL the former police commandants. The blood of these brave Kenyans is in their hands. Don't forget the gov'ts of Kenyatta, Moi and now Kibaki.
Please lets help our mboys be equipped to deal with the 21st century thugs.
This bandits should be dealt with like matakwei, this are cold blooded killers. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
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