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The Race for State House
Njung'e
#21 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 12:33:38 PM
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Impunity wrote:

Inshallah, we will carry out a post election analysis and see how many votes PK will get from Central and around Mt.Kenya.
From then we will know who is skin-deep tribal between me and your tribe.



We will then repeat the results with all other presidential candiates and i can bet all the gizzards in Tuskys that you will end up with the same results......I guess that's where Wazuans are coming from.Stop seeing through the prism of you tribe.You won't though and that's where the problem starts.With your kind,young,"educated" and "urbanised" (Mogotio is just Shagz),it's expected you would see things differently from you grandfathers......2030 is ever so near!!
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#22 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 12:40:04 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Impunity wrote:

Inshallah, we will carry out a post election analysis and see how many votes PK will get from Central and around Mt.Kenya.
From then we will know who is skin-deep tribal between me and your tribe.



We will then repeat the results with all other presidential candiates and i can bet all the gizzards in Tuskys that you will end up with the same results......I guess that's where Wazuans are coming from.Stop seeing through the prism of you tribe.You won't though and that's where the problem starts.With your kind,young,"educated" and "urbanised" (Mogotio is just Shagz),it's expected you would see things differently from you grandfathers......2030 is ever so near!!


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Impunity
#23 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 12:49:22 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Impunity wrote:

Inshallah, we will carry out a post election analysis and see how many votes PK will get from Central and around Mt.Kenya.
From then we will know who is skin-deep tribal between me and your tribe.



We will then repeat the results with all other presidential candiates and i can bet all the gizzards in Tuskys that you will end up with the same results......I guess that's where Wazuans are coming from.Stop seeing through the prism of you tribe.You won't though and that's where the problem starts.With your kind,young,"educated" and "urbanised" (Mogotio is just Shagz),it's expected you would see things differently from you grandfathers......2030 is ever so near!!


You didnt get what I meant in my statement above despite all your yapping!

I said PK will get more non-kikuyu votes than nyumba votes.

For @McReggae candidate its obvious he will get more Lwo votes; same for Kalooser, WSR, Messi etal.

As long as UK is running and he being considered chief of nyumba tribes, PK has zero chance of seeing statehouse, now,2017,2022 or even 2030.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:49:58 PM
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Chapter Six Doesn’t Bar Ruto And Uhuru
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 - 00:00 -- By PHEROZE NOWROJEE

Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto are not barred by the Constitution from standing as presidential candidates in the forthcoming election.

It is an error to think that Chapter Six of the Constitution bars them. Articles 73 – 80 thereof are relied upon to exclude them. Closer scrutiny of these provisions is therefore required.

Art.73 does set out the guiding principles of leadership and integrity, and the manner in which authority is to be exercised. But it and Chapter Six apply generally only to State officers. “State officers” are those who hold ‘State office’.

‘State office’ is defined as any of certain specified offices. (Art.260). These include the offices of the President, the Cabinet Secretaries (Ministers), MPs, judges, county members, governors, and offices established and designated as such by Parliament.

The ‘office’ of a presidential candidate is not included in this list. Nor has Parliament designated it so. As is obvious, a candidacy is not an office and would not attract Chapter Six. As candidates, Uhuru and Ruto are not State Officers. And Chapter Six does not apply to those who might become State officers in the future.

Chapter Six does not end there. Its concluding article, Art.80, does allow Parliament to pass legislation to “establish procedures and mechanisms for the effective administration of this Chapter,” (Art.80(a)) and “make any other provision necessary for ensuring promotion of the principles of leadership and integrity referred to in this Chapter and the enforcement of this Chapter.” (Art.80(d)).

This could lead to checks on candidates. But the present Integrity Bill does not make significant provision for that. Is it then in violation of the Constitution? The matter is in Court.

Art.75(1) is an important gauge for the conduct of candidates. It provides that a State officer shall conduct himself in a manner that avoids conflict of interest between personal interests and public official duties; avoids compromising any public interest in favour of a private interest; avoids demeaning a State office. But an important gauge is not a bar, unless expressly stated to be so. There is no such express statement against candidates.

What a large section of public opinion is saying is that if a presidential aspirant, who is charged at The Hague with particularised conduct that both nationally and internationally constitutes grave crimes carrying moral turpitude, persists in standing for the highest office in Kenya, it is demeaning Kenya.

By standing, instead of stepping aside voluntarily, he breaches the public trust vested in him not only by our country, but also by all our ethnic groups.

And if he persists, despite a large expressed opinion that this is not wanted, then it is also a conflict between his personal interests and the public and national interest. Such candidates are not desirable.

This conflict impacts directly and adversely on all Kenyans. It does not benefit its majority. The candidacy in such circumstances is not even for the benefit of the broad mass of the ethnic group of such a candidate. It is for the candidate’s own interests.

And those of the small economic and social elite that flatter and batten off such candidacies. It is certainly not for the benefit of other Kenyans.

There is already a mechanism in the Constitution to deal with such candidates. It is Art.38. It is to refuse to vote for them. The reason for the vote being the remedy is that it is neither democratic nor desirable that one person or a few persons – whether the Director of Public Prosecutions or the Registrar of Political Parties or one or a panel of judges – decide on whether a candidate is a suitable person to stand for State office.

The great mischief that such a situation could give rise to, is obvious. A few individuals cannot disenfranchise millions. It is contrary to democratic principles. It is contrary to the Constitution. It is for the people to decide.

Even in the face of the candidates’ subversion through a well-oiled propaganda machine with very deep pockets buying individuals and media and inciting ethnic nationalisms in support. This is fascism. We have to reject both, candidates and such programs.

For, at election time it is not a few individuals, not some anti-corruption body, but the public as the electorate, that becomes the enforcer of the values in Art.10, And it is both duty and self-preservation, that we voters reject those candidates for president who, even before they have reached that office, keep violating every value in our Constitution and our traditions.
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#25 Posted : Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:21:23 AM
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You rise and fall as an individual in every other sphere of your life. Why do you imagine that when it comes to politics you rise and fall as a tribe?
Vote as an individual for an individual based on his or her credentials for a change...
This 'our person' type of politics has already cost us too much as individuals. Is it not enough?
Sola Scriptura


simonkabz
#26 Posted : Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:01:43 AM
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Impunity wrote:
solochege wrote:
Peter Kenneth surely will prove to be a formidable opponent. Lets wait and see what kind of dirt the other opponents throw at him. I hope Kenyans this time will wake-up and know that the packet of unga, leso, sugar and keg cannot last for five years and they should vote wisely.Shame on you

You reason like a foreigner from America,eti formidable force.Be informed that Kenyans dont vote along such formidable forces...its all alliances of like minded (mind=tribes)
Shame on you


dude, you r all over PK like the devil on a roll. Nini inakuwasha jamaa? Who is your candidate? Vouch for him, leave the rest to be bana.
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