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US electoral process is 'primitive & undemocratic'
McReggae
#11 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2012 4:19:39 PM
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TAZ wrote:
@ cnn....There is no law requiring Electors to vote in accordance with the popular vote in their States but political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the nominees before the elections. Anyway most of these Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party. Its stated also that more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged, huko hakuna Vigeugeu.

@ Mc Reggae.....It all depends on them only that they vote against their Presidential Nominees


If at the end of the main vote a candidate has more than 270 electoral votes he is the top dawg, these will not be waited upon to vote unless there is a dispute in a particular state!!!!
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TAZ
#12 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2012 4:37:09 PM
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McReggae wrote:
TAZ wrote:
@ cnn....There is no law requiring Electors to vote in accordance with the popular vote in their States but political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the nominees before the elections. Anyway most of these Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party. Its stated also that more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged, huko hakuna Vigeugeu.

@ Mc Reggae.....It all depends on them only that they vote against their Presidential Nominees


If at the end of the main vote a candidate has more than 270 electoral votes he is the top dawg, these will not be waited upon to vote unless there is a dispute in a particular state!!!!


He's the President but the process has to be formalised by the Electoral college in Dec, that's why the Inaguration is usually two months afterwards. After the presidential election each governor prepares a Certificate of Ascertainment that shows the winning presidential candidate in the state and that electors have been elected to represent them at the meeting of the electors in the Dec elections.....thats what they use to call the results before the electoral college takes it vote. They don't have to wait for it to declare the Pres-elect but it has to happen.
2012
#13 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2012 4:47:56 PM
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Impunity wrote:
In 2000 Albert Gore beat Bush in popular votes but Bush won the electoral village politechnic votes and hence the presidency!!


And I personally thought like the starter of this thread that that was a mistake. The electoral votes have to represent the same percentage of the general population votes otherwise this system is not sawa.

Imagine if total 500 people turned up and voted Republican in Texas (38 electoral votes) while 1million turn up in Utah and vote Democrat (6 e-votes).....

BBI will solve it
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jaggernaut
#14 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:04:47 PM
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2012 wrote:
Impunity wrote:
In 2000 Albert Gore beat Bush in popular votes but Bush won the electoral village politechnic votes and hence the presidency!!


And I personally thought like the starter of this thread that that was a mistake. The electoral votes have to represent the same percentage of the general population votes otherwise this system is not sawa.

Imagine if total 500 people turned up and voted Republican in Texas (38 electoral votes) while 1million turn up in Utah and vote Democrat (6 e-votes).....

Hapo iko chida and that is what caused problems in Kenya in 2007/8 whereby ODM got more representatives in bunge but their presidential candidate lost the popular vote, or to put it in another way kibaki won but didn't have majority mpigs due to the mismatch btw population and no of electees/mpigs in different areas. The ratio should be constant.
digitek1
#15 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:25:20 PM
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inaitwa devolution
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Impunity
#16 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2012 6:52:12 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
2012 wrote:
Impunity wrote:
In 2000 Albert Gore beat Bush in popular votes but Bush won the electoral village politechnic votes and hence the presidency!!


And I personally thought like the starter of this thread that that was a mistake. The electoral votes have to represent the same percentage of the general population votes otherwise this system is not sawa.

Imagine if total 500 people turned up and voted Republican in Texas (38 electoral votes) while 1million turn up in Utah and vote Democrat (6 e-votes).....

Hapo iko chida and that is what caused problems in Kenya in 2007/8 whereby ODM got more representatives in bunge but their presidential candidate lost the popular vote, or to put it in another way kibaki won but didn't have majority mpigs due to the mismatch btw population and no of electees/mpigs in different areas. The ratio should be constant.

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#17 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2012 7:54:16 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
inaitwa devolution

Did I hear devil in devolution...devo ako ndani ya devolution??....atsii!!!wolololo mama kayai!
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alma
#18 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:13:13 PM
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We complain about their electoral system while it works for them. They agreed on the number of electoral votes democratically. That's all that matters.

At the same time, it is important to consider that the pure one man one vote system or majority rules system will have forever ensured that women would never have voted and blacks would still be in slavery.

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harrydre
#19 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:00:28 AM
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The electoral college votes allocated to each state are reviewed regularly based on population growth. I think this system works best and should be implemented in Kenya as well as programs like TPF.
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chiaroscuro
#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 8:43:22 AM
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Kenya is the only country I know where leader of government is elected directly.

Name another....
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