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The Tusker Premier League 2012
dossy7
#261 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:24:27 PM
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TAZ wrote:
maka wrote:
This league has huge untapped potential,players can be earning gud money if thingz are done right...


All we need is more sponsors otherwise we have a great league.


Taz and the TPL is bound to get even better next season.
Hope more sponsors come on board soon.
Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
2012
#262 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:54:22 PM
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TAZ wrote:
All we need is more sponsors otherwise we have a great league.


You first need a good fan base to attract sponsors. Remember sponsors are after their own selfish ends first and foremost. So let's keep the game up, the fans, sponsors and big pay days for players will follow.

All the same I think our gratitude should go to Supersports. Without them, this game would have been played by big stomached players in small boardrooms and offices.
Applause

BBI will solve it
:)
nostoppingthis
#263 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:03:11 PM
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2012 wrote:
TAZ wrote:
All we need is more sponsors otherwise we have a great league.


You first need a good fan base to attract sponsors. Remember sponsors are after their own selfish ends first and foremost. So let's keep the game up, the fans, sponsors and big pay days for players will follow.

All the same I think our gratitude should go to Supersports. Without them, this game would have been played by big stomached players in small boardrooms and offices.
Applause


What is the best way for other clubs to each get a good fan base?
TAZ
#264 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:23:11 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
2012 wrote:
TAZ wrote:
All we need is more sponsors otherwise we have a great league.


You first need a good fan base to attract sponsors. Remember sponsors are after their own selfish ends first and foremost. So let's keep the game up, the fans, sponsors and big pay days for players will follow.

All the same I think our gratitude should go to Supersports. Without them, this game would have been played by big stomached players in small boardrooms and offices.
Applause


What is the best way for other clubs to each get a good fan base?


I think its difficult to get a good fan base if you are not successful on the pitch.....Gor and AFC had it easier because of their history. If we get more sponsors involved in club football, we'll be able to retain our top players and also attract quality players such as Serunkuma. Our league should be the best in East and Central Africa. This we'll be able to perform well in the CAF Champions League. Some of the clubs we have in the league rely on the Supersport sponsorship for survival. Oserian were once the best team in the league but collapsed when their sponsorship was withdrawn.
elba
#265 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:17:19 AM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
2012 wrote:
TAZ wrote:
All we need is more sponsors otherwise we have a great league.


You first need a good fan base to attract sponsors. Remember sponsors are after their own selfish ends first and foremost. So let's keep the game up, the fans, sponsors and big pay days for players will follow.

All the same I think our gratitude should go to Supersports. Without them, this game would have been played by big stomached players in small boardrooms and offices.
Applause


What is the best way for other clubs to each get a good fan base?


The article below attempts to explain how a team can build a fan base bit by bit

http://kenyapage.net/commentary/?p=754
maka
#266 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:20:46 AM
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elba wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
2012 wrote:
[quote=TAZ]All we need is more sponsors otherwise we have a great league.


You first need a good fan base to attract sponsors. Remember sponsors are after their own selfish ends first and foremost. So let's keep the game up, the fans, sponsors and big pay days for players will follow.

All the same I think our gratitude should go to Supersports. Without them, this game would have been played by big stomached players in small boardrooms and offices.
Applause


What is the best way for other clubs to each get a good fan base?


The article below attempts to explain how a team can build a fan base bit by bit

http://kenyapage.net/commentary/?p=754[/quote]
...how do teams like tusker and kcb create fan bases?apparently last season tusker games were the least impressive in terms of fan numbers,maybe they should put some incentive in gn to watch them,do a raffle or smthn e.g pik out a ticket no frm the crowd whoever is pikd gets free EABL products for a whole year ohh plus a medical cover,this guy should get creative,there is this documentary bt how the EPL waz boring during the 90s b4 it became the EPL,how the top tier clubs Man u,arsenal,chelsea and some few others worked on a way to hype it up and create sponsorship see where it has taken them (you can use it for your thesis,i know...thank me later)...creative thinking thats all we nid.
possunt quia posse videntur
TAZ
#267 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:20:21 PM
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Like i said, our clubs need sponsors or else they'll all collaspe. Hata Gor which has the largest fan base in the country is struggling financially. The club chairman had to dig into his pocket after the sponsor defaulted on paying the salaries of players for the month of September 2012.

EABL and Supersport have done a great job but we need more corporates to invest in local football.

http://www.goal.com/en-k...a-premier-league-despite
elba
#268 Posted : Friday, November 02, 2012 3:15:53 AM
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maka wrote:



The article below attempts to explain how a team can build a fan base bit by bit

http://kenyapage.net/commentary/?p=754[/quote]
...how do teams like tusker and kcb create fan bases?apparently last season tusker games were the least impressive in terms of fan numbers,maybe they should put some incentive in gn to watch them,do a raffle or smthn e.g pik out a ticket no frm the crowd whoever is pikd gets free EABL products for a whole year ohh plus a medical cover,this guy should get creative,there is this documentary bt how the EPL waz boring during the 90s b4 it became the EPL,how the top tier clubs Man u,arsenal,chelsea and some few others worked on a way to hype it up and create sponsorship see where it has taken them (you can use it for your thesis,i know...thank me later)...creative thinking thats all we nid.


Corporate teams like KCB and Tusker will never build a fan base. Tusker has been around for 4 decades and won many trophies yet has no fans. To put it simply , the public cannot relate to corporate teams. Especially if they are based in Nairobi.

KPL will grow when community teams like Nakuru All Stars, Kisumu Lakeside and Shabana make it back to the league. These are the teams that have potential to pull crowds.

As for Tusker and KCB, they should follow what Safaricom and Mumias Sugar have done. Instead of playing in the league, they should focus on sponsoring grassroots tournaments.
TAZ
#269 Posted : Saturday, November 03, 2012 11:20:42 AM
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@ Elba.....I don't think so, we have so many community teams in the league. Most of them changed their name after they got sponsors. Why is it that English clubs have huge fan base outside the UK? The KPL management have to make the league attractive to local fans. They have to invest in the players and also the facilities, this will create interest with the fans and corporates will also want to partner with them. Kitambo people never used to go to Stadiums because of security issues but that changed with the introduction of the Sports Stadia Management Board. I would wish to see adverts or campaigns hyping up KPL games not just the ones that involve Gor or AFC.
youcan'tstopusnow
#270 Posted : Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:23:11 PM
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Ati KCB has no fans? Wapi Cde, guru, Aguytrying, mwekez@ji? Watu wa LOOOARR?
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
elba
#271 Posted : Sunday, November 04, 2012 4:38:14 AM
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TAZ wrote:
@ Elba.....I don't think so, we have so many community teams in the league. Most of them changed their name after they got sponsors.


There arent that many community clubs in the TPL: I only know of Gor Mahia, AFC and perhaps Thika. The others such as City stars, Rangers, Sofapaka etc are not community clubs. Which community do they draw their core fan base from ? Which community do they represent ? None. And this is why Sofapaka plays to empty stadia. They have given not fans a reason to form an emotional attachment. Dont confuse self supporting clubs with community clubs.


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Why is it that English clubs have huge fan base outside the UK? The KPL management have to make the league attractive to local fans.



The EPL attracts foreign fans because they have high calibre players, they have excellent stadia,and a passionate fan base that exists because all EPL teams are community teams. The sight of full stadia with chanting pasionate fans is an excellent marketing tool in itself.
They have good promotion as well but such promotions But such marketing can only go so far. You need quality to draw fans.


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They have to invest in the players and also the facilities, this will create interest with the fans and corporates will also want to partner with them.



I agree with investing in players. I strongly believe that youth development would increase player quality. But you cant invest in players and facilities if you are not making money to begin with. And you make money by drawing fans to the stadia. You draw fans to the stadia by having an emotional connection between fans and their teams. This can only happen with community teams. Most Kenyan teams struggle to pay players on time so investment in players is unlikely.


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Kitambo people never used to go to Stadiums because of security issues but that changed with the introduction of the Sports Stadia Management Board.


Its true that better security draws fans. However increased security is not the reason for the increased attendance. The re-emergence of Gor Mahia and AFC from near death is the main reason attendance is increasing. It is these clubs that drive public interest. And it is only these two clubs that draw sizable crowds.


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I would wish to see adverts or campaigns hyping up KPL games not just the ones that involve Gor or AFC


I agree. But advertizing TPL will only draw fair weather fans many of whom will leave when they realize that the quality of TPL games is low compared to EPL and the stadia are dilapidated and uncomfortable.

The only fans who will continuously attend are the hardcore fans many of whom stick with their teams through thick and thin. These are fans who have an emotional attachment to their teams. Thats why I wish Nakuru All stars would have qualified for TPL this year. With good marketing they can create a big fan base by appealing to Nakuru residents in a way that Ulinzi cannot.

IN Nairobi, inter estate games such those played in sakata ball tournament and others drew larger crowds and fan interest People root for their estates with a passion because they have an emotional connection to the community.

When I was a lad, I played in Kiko cup which featured various teams in the Kibera area. Each estate had a team and public interest was high. Many players became estate legends in ways that KCB and Tusker players can never hope for.

This is the power of community teams. They create passion that corporate teams such as Tusker can only dream of. I guarantee you that lower level community teams like Kariobangi Sharks and Kibera Celtic have a bigger fan base than Tusker or KCB. Sharks in particular always draw sizable crowds. And they play in grounds that dont even have a place to sit. I wish they would qualify to TPL and replace kina KCB and Stima. Kibera alone has almost 1 million residents. Thats a big community of football lovers from which Celtic can draw a committed fan base.
TAZ
#272 Posted : Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:16:19 PM
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@ elba.....The issue here is how the league clubs can build a fan base. Besides Players in those lower level teams would all wish to play for the likes of Tusker because they are a proffessional club. I believe once you get into the Premier league everything changes, you have to run the club in a proffessional way which in most cases means shifting all you home matches away from your fans. You also have to hold on to your top players and at the same time sign good players who can keep you competitive in the league....thats the point where most clubs lose their fan base. Gor and AFC used to be community clubs but not anymore, they have fans all over the country. It was easier for them to get build their fan base because of their history. Like you said its all about marketing, these corporate clubs need to find away of popularising their brand. We have several community clubs in the league who don't have a big fan base so clearly that's not the answer.....Mathare Utd is a good example.
elba
#273 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 6:45:19 AM
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TAZ wrote:
@ elba.....The issue here is how the league clubs can build a fan base.

Besides Players in those lower level teams would all wish to play for the likes of Tusker because they are a proffessional club..



You've just contradicted yourself. First you say the issue is how clubs can build a fan base then you change the subject to whether players from lower divisions would like to play for Tusker which has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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I believe once you get into the Premier league everything changes, you have to run the club in a proffessional way which in most cases means shifting all you home matches away from your fans.



The bolded hardly makes sense at all. Why would a club move games away from their fans ?

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You also have to hold on to your top players and at the same time sign good players who can keep you competitive in the league....thats the point where most clubs lose their fan base.



THis also does not make sense at all. Why would holding onto your top players make a team loose its fan base ?

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Gor and AFC used to be community clubs but not anymore, they have fans all over the country.



Gor Mahia and AFC are still community teams as is Shabana. And yes even in the 1960s and 70s they had fans from all over the country. But then as now, their core fan base comes from those ethnic groups.
That is why AFC plays many of their home games in Mumias and Gor Mahia tours Nyanza province every year. They are reconnecting with their fans.

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It was easier for them to get build their fan base because of their history.



Tusker has a long history since 1973. How come their history has not helped them build a fan base.

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Like you said its all about marketing, these corporate clubs need to find away of popularising their brand.


Corporate teams have never been crowd pullers in Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Nigeria or anywhere else. Being a football fan is about passion and nobody can be passionate about corporate teams. In African countries and even South America, coprorate teams are poor crowd pullers compared to community teams.

Do you know of any corporate teams that have a large fan base ?
I personally dont know of any.
In Nigeria there have been many corporate teams over the years but the most popular teams remain community teams like Enugu Rangers and IICC shootings stars.



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We have several community clubs in the league who don't have a big fan base so clearly that's not the answer.....Mathare Utd is a good example.



You are right about Mathare not having a fan base. The same applies to Thika United. They have done a shoddy job at connecting with Thika residents.
But the fact of the matter is that throughout the history of Kenya the crowd pullers have always been community teams. An excellent example is Congo United who played in the league last year. They had only been in the league for one year yet they already had a core group of committed passionate fans. Something teams like Tusker can never achieve.
Shabana football club has been in the lower divisions for the past 10 years yet they still have a core group of committed passionate fans. Go look at their facebook page if you dont believe me. If they were ever to return to the top league, they too will be crowd pullers.
nostoppingthis
#274 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 7:44:25 AM
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Gor Mahia...we are still fighting relegation!!!! What a game against the youth...total class from Sserensomething...that 2nd goal is goal of the season...totally beats the one he scored against AFC recently.
AFC is unbelieavable, they had the 2012 league in the bag in the 1st half of the season, how they let it slip away is still beyond me...possibly the need to change their coach..I can only imagine if K'Ogalo had the same margin,leading the pack with this coach Drool
One Game At a Time (OGAT), they say...now only Thika United stands between the might Gor Mahia and the trophy...and they will most certainly be welcomed to Estadio de City, 10th Novmber 2012..where Gor'verment Siri Kali hasn't lost in the recent past....
nostoppingthis
#275 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 7:50:28 AM
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mzeiya411 wrote:
Jaluo wrote:


Ingwe are finally top of the league after years in the doldrums…..their coach is?


Hmmm afta 4 games and already the title has been won. Let us wait till the season is over. I can't remember any foreigner winning the league in the last decade......


@Mzeiya...Put your eyes, 10th November 2012 is one week away!!
nostoppingthis
#276 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 7:55:57 AM
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kyt wrote:
i think GOR are an overated team who expect to be pamphered all the time, that said i am happy that mathare utd is out of relegation, the second goal was fine. the league should really be between sofapaka and AFC.


SOFAwhat?!!!!!
nostoppingthis
#277 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 8:06:53 AM
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Sober wrote:
Our 23 matches unbeaten run comes to an abrupt end. Sob! Sob!


Gor Mahia is still going strong on 24 unbeaten games in all competition!!
nostoppingthis
#278 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 8:10:43 AM
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Sober wrote:
The league is becoming more interesting. wait until Friday when a team will rise to the summit and not abandon the position till next general election

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly How the hell did your team let such a big margin slip away!!! How? How?
McReggae
#279 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 9:31:51 AM
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Dan Serenkuma now top joint scorer with John Baraza, I hope he win sit, Gor K'ogalo will surely lift this cup!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
TAZ
#280 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 10:13:11 AM
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@ elba.....Lets face it the only two football teams in the country that can fill stadiums ni Gor and AFC. Other clubs have fans but not as paasionate as these two teams. When i talk about their "history" i mean the rivalry between them. They've also had the backing of political leaders which has helped in attracting more fans over the years. Like i said hii kazi yote ni ya FKF and KPL, they need to invest in better facilities and promote league clubs. We need to have good football stadiums in Eldoret, Nyeri, Machakos, Mombasa etc. It all starts by watching matches then soon enough you identify a team that has impressed and deserves your support. Most of us have never seen EPL teams live in action but we've become so passionate mpaka watu wanajiua. Tusker is one of the most successful clubs in Kenya so surely they are here to stay. Btw what do you mean Kibera has a million residents, hiyo ni porojo!
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