@Tyco the more I read your posts, the more I want to have whatever it is you smoke. It's rather lucid I gather from your posts.

I will believe all these people who claim that they hate gay people the day I see them refusing to take their money. Don't take their rent, don't take their salaries, don't let them bank with you, don't sell them milk.....

Hii ingine ni domo domo tu. Kikiumana you will take help from anything that is moving, kikuyu, luo, gay, non-gay, saved, non-saved, muslim, aetheists. Whatever.

That is why the human race is considered irrational yet it thinks it is.

You think people only do biz with those they love? For an extra shilling, man will sit with one he hates and smile with them!

There are 2 issues here. Interaction and voting. Human interaction is a day to day activity where one chooses on matters of interaction with each other. The fact that you do not agree on some values does not mean we cannot cooperate on issues we see eye to eye and our human actions of assisting one another. The second issue of voting is one of choice and an endorsement of ones values. I consider one who is gay as character that i cant endorse, the same way i will not vote for an alcohol addict knowingly.

@D32, I don't know how you'll find it, but you may know more of our presidential candidates than a person who's lived in Kenya all his life. And it is not that the person would wish to be ignorant; he watches the news daily.

Will this person vote? Will you vote now that you don't have sufficient moral information about our candidates?

If you say that you won't vote because you have insufficient data, and it is immoral to vote under such conditions; then very few Kenyans would be justified to vote. And not just for the presidency, but for all political positions.

Generally if we hold to what you seem to be suggesting then we should not consider our selves to be in a democracy.

But, as far as we are made to understand, we are in a democracy. Therefore it is immoral to act as if we are not in a democracy when we are.

But these arguments are true if you hold that morality and truth are either relative or absolute.

But in fact, truth and morality are both relative and absolute. And the two positions go hand in hand. This is what makes democracy and even humanity, possible and justifiable.

Truth and morality tends to be relative when an individual is viewing or consider a matter, and absolute when he has entered into conversation with another, or others and have come up with a covenant. This is why it is said that whatever is bound on earth, so is it in heaven.

It is this that makes God's morality absolute. For wherever two or more are gathered in his name. . .

Therefore, if we are to experience Goodness, if we are to uphold morality we need to be open to conversation in love, with all people. This is what will heal the sick and oppressed. This is a manifestation of the grace that allows us to be wrong and to grow.

So, even if homosexuality was wrong one would not be justified to react with anger, fear, or even mistrust to homosexuals or any other person for that matter.

On what grounds then should one be denied a vote? When there has been no conversation and or covenant. Any other reason is immoral.

ukweli ni kwamba voting is a choice that one makes based on criteria the owner of the vote chooses... so voting does not have to be rational or even issue based. people don't even need to vote. kama hutaki homo hutaki!