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BAAK
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:35:00 PM
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To Lawyers / legal experts in the house:

Does an agreement for sale for real estate (plot,house,etc) between two parties have to be ‘stamped’ by a lawyer / commissioner of oaths in order to be deemed as legally binding?


Your answer will be deeply appreciated.

mukiha
#2 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:40:00 AM
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@BAAK; err on the side of caution and get a lawyer to witness the agreement.

i think the law assumes that as an officer of the court,a lawyer cannot lie,thus in case of a dispute,the agreement will carry more weight if it was witnessed by a lawyer than if it was witnessed by a layman....

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mlefu
#3 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:44:00 AM
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by default its the best way to go....not even the best..its the only way to go.. the cost..less than a soda 300ml..ask TRS

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kenyanboy
#4 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:53:00 AM
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My advocate tells me that its important to have it witnessed by an advocate,but not compulsory. What your lawyer may have meant by 'stamped' is stamped for nominal duty at the lands office. This is highly adviseable as it makes the agreement 'admissible evidence' in the event that the matter ever lands in court. Put it this way,if the matter lands in court and you require to submit the sale agreement as evidence,then it needs to have been stamped to be admitted as evidence,in order to show that the agreement was actually made at that date. Secondly,if you are applying for a caution (which you lodge e.g. the seller sells to you and then you discover he is selling to someone else),then a sale agreement that is not stamped cannot be relied on/is not enforceable and so you wont get the caution registered by the registrar. There is a high court matter where the judge said where the sale agreement is not stamped,even though it was not admissible as evidence at the time,the court can still allow you,if you apply,to go and have it stamped. But note that since assessment for stamping is based on the date of agreement,if more than thirty days have expired then there will be penalties to pay. So its highly adviseable (and relatively cheap,considering the benefits) to have the document stamped at the word go.

Hope this helps
timbuktu
#5 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:08:00 AM
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i got a property recently and the lawyey who witnessed charged us 5000 for the job. something that took at most 20 mins

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McReggae
#6 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:26:00 AM
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timbuktu,kwani unataka akina TRS wakulie nini???

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timbuktu
#7 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:16:00 PM
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i wasn't complaining about the price charged only that i wanted to indicate that it don't have to be expensive to have sale agreements witnessed by our so called learned friends!!!!!!

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timbuktu
#8 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:16:00 PM
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i wasn't complaining about the price charged only that i wanted to indicate that it don't have to be expensive to have sale agreements witnessed by our so called learned friends!!!!!!

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timbuktu
#9 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:16:00 PM
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i wasn't complaining about the price charged only that i wanted to indicate that it don't have to be expensive to have sale agreements witnessed by our so called learned friends!!!!!!

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timbuktu
#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:20:00 PM
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i wasn't complaining about the price charged only that i wanted to indicate that it don't have to be expensive to have sale agreements witnessed by our so called learned friends!!!!!!

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fantony
#11 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:51:00 AM
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tuambie.

nilidhani ni kila mtu na lawyer wake.

Kama mko na common lawyer si hio imetosha.
BAAK
#12 Posted : Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:38:00 PM
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Thanks. Thanks guys for your intelligent responses. Though our portfolios have been affected by global cries or is it crises / current downturn,I think the advice we have gotten from SK fraternity on various issues / topics is worth much more than any loss incurred!…
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