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The real reason KDF went to war
AlphDoti
#31 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:12:45 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
1. @aemathenge kuddos. You have told this lady many things.

2. @Essyk, what is paining you? Why are you pouring words?
- Because they buy?
- You say "I am left to eat substandard rice cz somalis bought all the best", is that why you are so bitter?
- And you alleged that children are beaten in madrasa, where are you getting this? Please be careful what you say. Please verify things first before you allege. There is nothing like that.
- When you say something without knowledge, you become a slanderer, a defamer.

3. Thank you @slickyoz for reminding us about this: "Wacha madha.I am dating one."
I have been wondering where all this hatred came from! Now I see, it's irate lover.
I think she was told to stop opening gates to strangers, half-naked, including police who came knocking early in the morning.

4. You laugh at people and say they marry many wives, what is your problem? I talked about polygamy another day and you did not even say anything! It does not concern you, so leave it to those who want this option.
- @aemathenge has already answered you about this assumption.
- Would you rather see single women date married men?
- Or practice prostitution and remain "single by choice"?
- What is your solution to excess women?

5. You laugh at them that they are in child bearing spree.
- Why do you say the have children they cannot manage?
- Have they ever ask for your help in raising the children?
- Take census of the street children, tell me how many from your, one-child community are chokoras?
- Now you are already saying the Turkanas will come to Nairobi and have many children coz of oil
- Are you saying they do not have many children even before oil story?

6. Now you're on Eastleigh case
- Did you ever hear Eastleigh people asking the government not to upgrade the facilities there?
- Have you heard diarrhoea and cholera in Eastleigh?
murchr
#32 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:52:47 PM
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Let us not be xenophobic as we are trying to pass a point across. Just like @aemathenge I come from a region where some herbs/leaves that grow from a certain tree are a delicacy to the somali people and indeed without them then business would not be as good as it is today.

However, the unrest in somalia has to end if Kenya indeed wants to thrive business wise. Traders have to feel secure in Lamu and the illegal business/tax evasion through the Kismayu port had/has to be reduced. Indeed...We keep asking where the Alshabaab has been getting all the funding from and the answer is its us who have been financing them. When we ship in goods through these cheap merchants who bring in most of their products through Kismayu, ever wondered why the buses to Garissa are picked from Eastleigh?

I really wish Somalians well...they deserve to live in peace.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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essyk
#33 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:07:50 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:

2. What is paining you? Tooth ache.
- You say "I am left to eat substandard rice cz somalis bought all the best", is that why you are so bitter? Sad yes ya kufagia Pray
- And you alleged that children are beaten in madrasa, where are you getting this? Please be careful what you say. Please verify things first before you allege.
We reported one to the chief.Residents couldn't take it anymore even though they tried hard to ignore.
Alpha that 'teacher' would step on those kids backs and thrash them like donkeys and the screams were extreme and nerve wrecking.
That is not a jack and the beanstalk kind of tale.
No longer live there nway so not sure if the class still runs.

3. Thank you @slickyoz for reminding us about this: "Wacha madha.I am dating one."
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly! His name is ayanle.Laughing out loudly
you made my day! Don't be a sponge absorbing every lil thing people say abt themselves online. You could end up being lost forever.Kuwa light hearted.

4. You laugh at people and say they marry many wives, what is your problem?
I fear Akuku Danger kind of scenario.
If it happens as in the case of King Mswazi fiine! he has the money.But producing a 'nation' under strained resources imho is not wisdom.

- What is your solution to excess women?
Haiiiiiya!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Is polygamy the way to go now? You mean my ayanle will bring me a co wife to take care of excesses?
I swear am speechless.

- Have they ever ask for your help in raising the children?
Sad Sad Laughing out loudly no
- Now you are already saying the Turkanas will come to Nairobi and have many children coz of oil
No please,that was Mathenge.
- Are you saying they do not have many children even before oil story?
They are not illegal immigrants and therefore can choose to bear 100 The goverment has a responsibility over them as citizens

6. Now you're on Eastleigh case
- Did you ever hear Eastleigh people asking the government not to upgrade the facilities there?
- Have you heard diarrhoea and cholera in Eastleigh?
Sad Sad Silenced
no never heard.


Alpha! you have made my day.I needed that dose of laughter.
Look here,when you love somebody you criticize them.
I plan to relocate to Afmadow with my Ayanle and raise a large family there as soon as everything stabilises.I don't mind being co wife cz he loves me to death.smile
Love conqueres race,economies,development everything.
smile



"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
kenyanbeef
#34 Posted : Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:22:26 PM
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@alphdoti, you need to present your own arguments. I want to hear your point of view on the concerns raised. Not just the clapping for others.
YesuWangu
#35 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 8:47:33 AM
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Posts: 1,588
aemathenge wrote:
So.

The Somalis go back to Somalia.

Oops. Sorry. The Somali Somalis, go back to Somalia.

Then what?

The Kikuyus go back to Kikuyuland. The Indians go back to India. The Europeans go back to Europe?

Damn! I almost forgot. The Chinese building "our" infrastructure for us should go back to China and stop roasting maize on "our" streets.

For a forum of highly educated Citizens, I am painfully disappointed with the stereo typing displayed on this thread.

Hasn't it occurred to us by now that this madoa madoa phenomenon is what led to the post election clashes in "Kenia"?

Please dwell on it before clicking post. Please do.



Once we start telling other people to 'return' with which people will we stop?

If you tell someone to 'go back' what prevents you to be told that too?

What is going on in this thread is quite subtle, but it is dangerous.
quicksand
#36 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 9:15:57 AM
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Joined: 7/5/2010
Posts: 2,061
Location: Nairobi
This is simple. If you are in the country illegally, you are charged halafu unachomolewa. Returned to your country or to a refugee camp.
There is no ambiguity in the law about this. You can make impassioned arguments about why we shouldn't rally for illegals to be returned,..I don't care. If they are here illegally then by definition they are breaking the law. That is enough for me. Otherwise whats the point in having that law in the first place?
You see this...
https://www.standardmedi...nts-arrested-in-Nairobi
? Happened a few weeks back. They should step it up. No excuses. Go to neighboring Tanzania just 150 kms down and get nabbed there without proper papers ujionee na macho yako. Other countries don't joke around with this stuff, why should we?
essyk
#37 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 9:42:13 AM
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Quote:
Once we start telling other people to 'return' with which people will we stop?

If you tell someone to 'go back' what prevents you to be told that too?


What you are simply saying in few words is that KDF has no business being in Somali.
They are wasting time.I thought thread was about KDF and why they went to war and mine was to talk as an ordinary citizen who's feeling the impact of their influx.
I am in full support of KDF because I want somalis to go back and rebuild.
If that is offensive I plead guilty in good faith and love.

Do you know the deep cry of an innocent somali?
They want to till their own land,operate businesses,take their kids to school,have a stable goverment,enough food and live a normal life without fear of somebody bombing their ass off. Don't you want to see that happen? I do.

Nothing bad as being an illegal immigrant cz you are always on the run,you can't do things in a legal way, but hey you gotta survive and eat so anything for money you will do.

That is the essence of this thread not race.
Go back rebuild somalia and make Africa and the world proud.





"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
YesuWangu
#38 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 11:23:23 AM
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essyk wrote:
Quote:
Once we start telling other people to 'return' with which people will we stop?

If you tell someone to 'go back' what prevents you to be told that too?


What you are simply saying in few words is that KDF has no business being in Somali.
They are wasting time
.I thought thread was about KDF and why they went to war and mine was to talk as an ordinary citizen who's feeling the impact of their influx.
I am in full support of KDF because I want somalis to go back and rebuild.
If that is offensive I plead guilty in good faith and love.

Do you know the deep cry of an innocent somali?
They want to till their own land,operate businesses,take their kids to school,have a stable goverment,enough food and live a normal life without fear of somebody bombing their ass off. Don't you want to see that happen? I do.

Nothing bad as being an illegal immigrant cz you are always on the run,you can't do things in a legal way, but hey you gotta survive and eat so anything for money you will do.

That is the essence of this thread not race.
Go back rebuild somalia and make Africa and the world proud.




I would really like to be quoted where I said those words.

Anyway, my two simple questions are still unanswered many words later.

With which people will it stop?
What prevents us from being told the same later on too?

Allay my fears! Show me it is not dangerous.
kamundu
#39 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 11:42:39 AM
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Joined: 5/9/2011
Posts: 786
Location: Mashinani
aemathenge wrote:
So.

The Somalis go back to Somalia.

Oops. Sorry. The Somali Somalis, go back to Somalia.

Then what?

The Kikuyus go back to Kikuyuland. The Indians go back to India. The Europeans go back to Europe?

Damn! I almost forgot. The Chinese building "our" infrastructure for us should go back to China and stop roasting maize on "our" streets.

For a forum of highly educated Citizens, I am painfully disappointed with the stereo typing displayed on this thread.

Hasn't it occurred to us by now that this madoa madoa phenomenon is what led to the post election clashes in "Kenia"?

Please dwell on it before clicking post. Please do.


Do you live in Kenya by any chance?
Peace in our Homeland.
Rahatupu
#40 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 2:47:54 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 1,982
Location: matano manne
essyk wrote:
There is a lot at stake for Kenya.As an ordinary kenyan this is what.

-I am interested in seeing somalis go back and rebuild their country since cz they have stretched other nation's resources to the maximum.
-I want Eastleigh to cease being a mini somalia.
-I want residential property prices to stop skyrocketizng cz of them.
-I hate being called a monkey in my own country by a race which feels superior than all bantus.
They hate blacks and that makes me sick.

-Very soon they will overtake us in numbers because the rate at which they reproduce is shocking.
-Kenya may soon become a muslim nation because of the high number of madrassa classes opening up in what used to be churches,private homes,chief's camps,shops,schools,etc etc.

If KDF will ensure somali is safe for their return,I really don't worry much about what happens thereafter.
They can fight for their own country's resources after we have stabilised ours.
Playing host to a suffering nation has done us more harm than good.

If asked,KDF is fighting to depopulate them from kenya.







@Essyk: Kwani are they white????
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