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"I Will Not Apologize" -- Caroline Mutoko Responds to Plagiarism Claims
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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I wonder why some people are vehemently defending this cheat....ahh I forgot birds of a feather do...... ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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she can't pass the integrity test in the new dispensation. And she was about to become ktb chairperson....She would have been copying tigers in the Himalaya and saying they exist in Kisumu. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/20/2012 Posts: 888
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At that rate, soon she might lift something from MM book!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Money Whisperer wrote: Masukuma, we do have a clear knowledge of what IP is. uliza uambiwe.Cracking jokes at a party is different from publishing an article. Even when you crack a joke expecting to generate income from it, if it is not yours then acknowledge where you got it and if royalties are due pay them masukuma wrote:on intellectual property, WE DON'T We don't AND THUS THE 4 PAGE DISCUSSION! Can tell me how Africa benefits from the current intellectual property regime? perhaps one of the most profound arguments against the current regime is found in the wise words of Thomas Jefferson Quote:"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me." And thus I ask - how does Mukoko's publishing part of the article of whomever it was that first wrote letters to themselves diminish THE ORIGINAL WORK? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2012 Posts: 1,317
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Sincerely, how many expected CM to apologize? She clearly wont. So let her be. After all we now know the real Carol Mutoko.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/13/2006 Posts: 58
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This is how seriously plagiarism is taken by universities out there;
Students found to have committed major plagiarism or to have colluded or to have presented fabricated data in an assessment are liable to be severely penalised. They may be given a mark of zero for the assessment concerned or, in the most serious cases, may even be required to terminate their studies.
Do not defend the indefensible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/14/2009 Posts: 2,057
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masukuma wrote:Money Whisperer wrote: Masukuma, we do have a clear knowledge of what IP is. uliza uambiwe.Cracking jokes at a party is different from publishing an article. Even when you crack a joke expecting to generate income from it, if it is not yours then acknowledge where you got it and if royalties are due pay them masukuma wrote:on intellectual property, WE DON'T We don't AND THUS THE 4 PAGE DISCUSSION! Can tell me how Africa benefits from the current intellectual property regime? perhaps one of the most profound arguments against the current regime is found in the wise words of Thomas Jefferson Quote:"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is j, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me." And thus I ask - how does Mukoko's publishing part of the article of whomever it was that first wrote letters to themselves diminish THE ORIGINAL WORK? @masukuma Wacha hasira, its Mutoko not Mukoko ! I however agree with you, the original work does not diminish hata kidogo ... If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2010 Posts: 728 Location: Wazuaville
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Exactky Kripp. In fact if a student got an idea for their assignment from a conversation with their roommate they are supposed to acknowledge it. kripp wrote:This is how seriously plagiarism is taken by universities out there;
Students found to have committed major plagiarism or to have colluded or to have presented fabricated data in an assessment are liable to be severely penalised. They may be given a mark of zero for the assessment concerned or, in the most serious cases, may even be required to terminate their studies.
Do not defend the indefensible. "Money never sleeps"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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at this rate Mutoko needs to apologize or else she may be sued and even her so called masters degree investigated.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2010 Posts: 728 Location: Wazuaville
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masukuma wrote:
Can tell me how Africa benefits from the current intellectual property regime?
Consider the following, 1. Find out how much money 50 Cent offered Chinua Achebe for the use of the phrase "Things Fall Apart" as the title of the movie (FYI, Chinua turned down the offer). The last time I checked, Chinua was as African as the first gal I kissed 2. How much money was Fadhili William offered by Boney M's producers for doing a remix of the song Malaika? Fadhili William si ni Mdavida wa kwetu Kenya 3.If Africans did not benefit from IP regime then I would have taken Ngugi wa Thiong'o's Weep Not Child and titled it Shut up Child and made millions out of it, but I can't because Henry Chakava will sue me to the last Y-front I own. IP regime has ensured Ngugi and other writers make their millions. 4. Poxy Pressure revamped the Music Copyright Society and now musicians earn royalty from their work and can sue you if you dare perform their songs fwaaa 5. Thanks to the hard work by Prof. Peter Wasamba of the Litt dept. at UoN now even oral literature performances are covered by IP Act so our ohangla musicians on the streets will soon start earning from their performances 6. Oxford University Press took Longhorn Publishers to court claiming they had plagiarized their Kamusi. Pray, how does one plagiarize a kamusi? hehe I told you IP laws are known clearly even in Africa, so don't say "WE don't understand" say "I and afew others don't understand IP regime", but just know this it is there and it supports a whole industry "Money never sleeps"
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2010 Posts: 728 Location: Wazuaville
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Vinii, you need to understand capitalism as opposed to misconstrued African socialism that ensured our artists and thinkers remained poor. I say misconstrued because in traditional African society artists and thinkers were rewarded for their work. Next time somebody tells you to emcee their gigs and spice with your original jokes, send him an invoice. vinii wrote: I however agree with you, the original work does not diminish hata kidogo ...
"Money never sleeps"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Money Whisperer wrote:masukuma wrote:
Can tell me how Africa benefits from the current intellectual property regime?
...hehe I told you IP laws are known clearly even in Africa... but just know this it is there and it supports a whole industry @mnongonaji-chapaa 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Money Whisperer wrote:masukuma wrote:
Can tell me how Africa benefits from the current intellectual property regime?
Consider the following, 1. Find out how much money 50 Cent offered Chinua Achebe for the use of the phrase "Things Fall Apart" as the title of the movie (FYI, Chinua turned down the offer). The last time I checked, Chinua was as African as the first gal I kissed 2. How much money was Fadhili William offered by Boney M's producers for doing a remix of the song Malaika? Fadhili William si ni Mdavida wa kwetu Kenya 3.If Africans did not benefit from IP regime then I would have taken Ngugi wa Thiong'o's Weep Not Child and titled it Shut up Child and made millions out of it, but I can't because Henry Chakava will sue me to the last Y-front I own. IP regime has ensured Ngugi and other writers make their millions. 4. Poxy Pressure revamped the Music Copyright Society and now musicians earn royalty from their work and can sue you if you dare perform their songs fwaaa 5. Thanks to the hard work by Prof. Peter Wasamba of the Litt dept. at UoN now even oral literature performances are covered by IP Act so our ohangla musicians on the streets will soon start earning from their performances 6. Oxford University Press took Longhorn Publishers to court claiming they had plagiarized their Kamusi. Pray, how does one plagiarize a kamusi? hehe I told you IP laws are known clearly even in Africa, so don't say "WE don't understand" say "I and afew others don't understand IP regime", but just know this it is there and it supports a whole industry Africa is a net importer of Intellectual property only a few people (as mentioned above) have benefited from this regime - majority of Africans pay for stuff that we should not be paying for. Robbing us blind so to speak! The sooner we ask ourselves - what is in it for us? the sooner we stop swallowing things ovyo. If they want to pay us for our works - no problem, we shall not pay them for theirs. Ask the Chinese and Japanese - that is how you cut the line to prosperity. picture this the west went ahead of us and invented some of this stuff that made them industrialize and now go into the post mordern age but they are telling us to reinvent our own stuff in the way they did it or pay them for theirs. While it makes sense for them - it does not make sense for us to agree! We need to dissect IP and decide what is beneficial to us and what is not! I am proud of Kenya - because the current regime does not accept patenting of software. For those who think I don't know what I am talking about I will tell you that I have enrolled to one of those universities that require that I sign a pact before each course and have to properly quote my sources (i have 2 discussion questions to do after this) in form of references. so believe me when I say - I get the arguments. I have been towing the line for 1.5 years however I don't intend on towing the line for long. I follow it since I want something they have (a degree) and the condition is that i don't plagiarize. however I don't intend on restricting myself unnecessarily any more than I should. Kama bible authors hawaku quote their sources itakuwa ni mimi kujirestrict ovyo? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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I actually dare say that we have plagiarized the concept of plagiarism into our culture - coz it does not belong to us. picture this 1.6 billion people in China don't follow it coz using other people's work is considered a compliment on them. 1.3 billion people in india don't follow it coz using other people's work is considered a compliment on them. 1.1 billion people in Africa don't recognize it as well, we sign songs in church without "quoting the source" coz its very good we use it as is - you cannot improve perfection - right? that leaves Western Europe and the Americas and Australia (culturally from West Europe) that's 4 out of the 7 billion people on the planet that consider the concept as foreign (we have not counted South East Asia). Why do we want to shackle ourselves unnecessarily? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Fine. She stole. Glory Halluiah. So be it. My position is that I shall not engage in mob justice. That I believe is her position also. Not cower before the mob, vitual citizens from various spheres, Wazua included. This is between her, the Source, the Intellectual Police, her God and the Devil. My concern is, did she improve on the stolen material? Did His Majesty the King of Popular Music (RIP) improve the lyrics he stole from the African he stole from to make "You Wanna Be Starting Something"? Did Witney Houston improve on the song "I will always love you" she "stole" from Dolly Parton? I love Caroline Mutoko for what she is. The best in talk show in East Africa. Every body else is just Noise.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/20/2012 Posts: 888
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aemathenge wrote:Fine.
She stole. Glory Halluiah. So be it.
My position is that I shall not engage in mob justice.
That I believe is her position also.
Not cower before the mob, vitual citizens from various spheres, Wazua included.
This is between her, the Source, the Intellectual Police, her God and the Devil.
My concern is, did she improve on the stolen material?
Did His Majesty the King of Popular Music (RIP) improve the lyrics he stole from the African he stole from to make "You Wanna Be Starting Something"?
Did Witney Houston improve on the song "I will always love you" she "stole" from Dolly Parton?
I love Caroline Mutoko for what she is. The best in talk show in East Africa. Every body else is just Noise. @AE Mathenge..This is a wild allegation. You used which opinion poll!!! Her show to me,it's too hogwash..compared to a number of stations, just my opinion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Pride and fall in a sentence.. Imagine what she stands to loose if they decide to sue her. Is it worth it for some inflated ego?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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MKWASI wrote:aemathenge wrote:
I love Caroline Mutoko for what she is. The best in talk show in East Africa. Every body else is just Noise.
@AE Mathenge..This is a wild allegation. You used which opinion poll!!! Her show to me,it's too hogwash..compared to a number of stations, just my opinion. @mkwasi, everyone has their own taste. Carol & Jalang'o ati Musee Jalang'o mwenyewe. I get so pissed listening to it but I acknowledge that they have fans who think they're good. But everyone has their niche. Carol has identified hers(akina mahegoat) and insulted them but they still love her!
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