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why is RAO interfering with a listed company yet he is not a share holder
Metasploit
#61 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 7:36:47 PM
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Talked to KQ friends and they are happy about Rao's move.
Surprisingly!!
Aparently Naikuni and another politician have a stake in the firm that they want to outsource to!
Them think the problem is with Naikuni's management and not the wages..Plus they dont understand why the foreigners wont be Axed.
Good for shareholders,bad for employees esp those on mortgages

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MaichBlack
#62 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 8:17:36 PM
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Metasploit wrote:
Talked to KQ friends and they are happy about Rao's move.
Surprisingly!!

What a surprise!!! You talked to a fellow who might be on the list of those to be retrenched and he was happy about RAO's move? That's surprising indeed!!!

And about interest in companies this should be investigated but should NOT be used as an excuse to stop the retrenchment [If it is the best solution].

And I would not be surprised if it is propaganda. We are dealing with people with masters in propaganda technology!
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Fomoney
#63 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 8:20:12 PM
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Metasploit wrote:
Talked to KQ friends and they are happy about Rao's move.
Surprisingly!!
Aparently Naikuni and another politician have a stake in the firm that they want to outsource to!
Them think the problem is with Naikuni's management and not the wages..Plus they dont understand why the foreigners wont be Axed.
Good for shareholders,bad for employees esp those on mortgages


Am a shareholder and if KQ doesn't improve it's performance I will be worried about my mortgage too.Their wage bill needs to be cut.
MaichBlack
#64 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 8:30:16 PM
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Fomoney wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
Talked to KQ friends and they are happy about Rao's move.
Surprisingly!!
Aparently Naikuni and another politician have a stake in the firm that they want to outsource to!
Them think the problem is with Naikuni's management and not the wages..Plus they dont understand why the foreigners wont be Axed.
Good for shareholders,bad for employees esp those on mortgages


Am a shareholder and if KQ doesn't improve it's performance I will be worried about my mortgage too.Their wage bill needs to be cut.

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The way some people are reasoning, it is evident they have never run any sort of business - even a kiosk!

In business, one has to make tough decisions. Jobs might have to be merged, others declared unnecessary, branches closed etc. Even if you have employed your brother/sister to manage branch x as you manage branch y, if branch x is losing money, it will have to be closed. If you don't BOTH you and your brother will be jobless.

Most companies have actually introduced the concept of cost centres so that each department can justify it's existence.

If I am running an SME and make 20m a year, it doesn't mean I will not fire people. Maybe unit x made 30m profit amd unit y made 10m loss. If unit y cannot turn a profit, then it goes in as much as the "company" is making money!
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Fomoney
#65 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 5:25:45 AM
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@Maich, some people think investors start companies to create jobs. Nah,that's why they get robots when they can. Objective is to produce goods and services at the lowest cost to enable them turn a profit. Naikuni has to fire some people or loose his job. If he can't someone else will. Raila is a businessman and would have been out of business reasoning like that, just playing populism as usual.
Njung'e
#66 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:19:46 AM
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You are all idiots!!....Pamba is such an astute businessman.He wines and dines and leaves the bill behind for Migooner to foot.smile
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kyt
#67 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:26:36 AM
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naikuni should lead my example and resign for ruining shareholder value. 24% increase when the company has made a 50.1% drop in profit. this is insane.
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McReggae
#68 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:33:50 AM
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Almost for 10yrs now, Naikuni has grown this so called bloated !!!workforce from about 2000 to now well over 4000!!!
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Sasha
#69 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:53:17 AM
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mukiha wrote:

The cabin crew are part and parcel of their CORE function. It would be suicidal to out-source their service! It would be like a hotel outsourcing waiters.


@mukiha: KQ's core functions are selling airline seats for their various routes. Everything else from food service to baggage handling and aircraft cleaning are non-core. However, it depends on the strategy of the airline. Some airlines pride themselves in exemplary cabin service as their competitive advantage. KQ cannot claim this as their competitive advantage.

As much as I agree with you that it would not be a good idea to outsource the cabin crew, it can be done in a tactful way. The practice is that any function that involves repetitive tasks can (and should) be outsourced to specialists to allow the business to concentrate on core functions. For an airline, the cons outweigh the pros for outsourcing cabin service. Airline staff (in general, not KQ in this case) understand the value of their jobs for the airline's image and competition with other carriers. This attitude might be different for outsourced staff who more often than not will be on very low salaries.

My view is that any shareholder should be in support of this exercise. KQ will have explored other ways of maximizing shareholder value by cutting costs and determined that this is one of those ways.
Jamani
#70 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 10:23:30 AM
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Retrenching staff then increasing management salaries by 24%, management takes fat salaries increasing by 24% would most likely have the same impact as keeping the employees on board. And remember their services will be outsourced, question is at what cost?
As a shareholder you look at the bottom line..... with the two 24% increase and outsourcing will it change the bottom? and by what percentage?
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