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"The Kibaki administration and its security agents have now criminalised professing Islam &
thuks
#1 Posted : Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:14:19 AM
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Abdullahi going out on a limb here
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When did bringing up children become solely a government's job?

A policy to kill troublesome muslims by government? The policy maker - minister in charge of internal security- is a Muslim or not?
I do not understand how some things get published in these papers....
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jamplu
#2 Posted : Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:43:51 AM
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thuks wrote:
Abdullahi going out on a limb here
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When did bringing up children become solely a government's job?

A policy to kill troublesome muslims by government? The policy maker - minister in charge of internal security- is a Muslim or not?
I do not understand how some things get published in these papers....


One can imagine the fear that many Kenyan Muslims live under for the simple reason that they profess the Islamic faith.
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The Kibaki administration and its security agents have now criminalised professing Islam and that is likely to have dire consequences for the future harmony and stability of the country.


Abdullahi has gone way too far. isn't this the same tactic that Alshabab are using making the muslim youth feel that they are oppressed and that the government is against muslims.
tassia
#3 Posted : Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:49:39 AM
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The Nation Media has given Abdullahi a platform to continue with Rogo's ideas of inciting Muslims against everyone else.

Some of his comments are a bit disturbing...and I quote "It is a government policy that gives a firm notice to any Muslim leader that death ultimately awaits him. This clearly shows how rogue the security agents under this regime have become.
One can imagine the fear that many Kenyan Muslims live under for the simple reason that they profess the Islamic faith.
The Kibaki administration and its security agents have now criminalised professing Islam and that is likely to have dire consequences for the future harmony and stability of the country"

If as Abdullahi says Rogo was killed by the government because of his faith, is he confirming that professing Islam means you should promote the killing of everyone else who does not profess the faith.
Here get to know more about Rogo. http://www.standardmedia...,-propagated-extremism-

Does Abdullahi mean that if a Muslim kills or incite others to kill, we should understand that they are just professing a faith and because we have freedom to express our faith in Kenya, the government should therefore do nothing about it not even an arrest because this will also amount to persecuting Islam?
AlphDoti
#4 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 9:28:34 AM
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@Tassia, I think some of what Abdullahi has written is truth.
What mistake did the dead clerics (Khan and Rogo) make? Why was they not arrested and charged in court of law? You believe the police story that they found Rogo with arms? Why did they release him if this was true? Then kill him?

Point out what is not right, or is this a case of "accusing people without evidence"?

I agree that we have to fight wrongs in all possible ways, but not through bypassing the normal rules of evidence, presumption of Guilt and abuse of Human rights.

Ok let me remind you how this government has been operating. Forget Muslim, look at other people who have fought for one thing or another and they ended up dead in the hands of those who are supposed to protect.

I can just name Odhiambo Mbai, Oscar Kamau Kingara (Oscar Foundation) and John Paul Oulo. They were shot dead by gunmen and others by police killings.

What you are seeing is some people just indicting others because they are not your favourite, just because they are fighting for rights of some people.
And now you see Muslims, speaking for one of their own, who is accussed and there is no evidence that they have seen, they have to support him or her.
They cannot say he must have done something wrong, because then they can go to sleep, eat our own food, and enjoy ourselves and forget that he is a Kenyan and is one of us.

But as I said before, we have become stooches of the West, what uncle Sam says, you do. Even when they told you kill one of your own you just kill!
No, we have to say they must be innocent, because the rule even in the Western world, is that a person is innocent until proven guilty.


So if our own is taken from home or even from street, and they are held for suspicion of anything, we must feel like our finger has been cut off.
Like someone has stepped on our chest, like someone snatched our son or our daughter.
That is why you see those people going to the police station, calling, asking, crying and begging.

But because it is not our son. Because it is not our daughter. And we do not have to see them physically, we say nothing. In fact we support the killing!

Oh Kenyans, are we guilty just because we are Muslims?
And what will you wait? Will you wait until you wake up one morning a knock comes through your door.
And you are pulled out of your house and separately from your wife and children.
And you are put inside a prison?

And will you wait until thousands of you, and it is happening now, and you say, not to me!
But because it is only happening one by one by one and you go to work in the morning and you have to take care of your own business, mind your business.
You just say, that Muslim, he must have been guilty.

It will be your son, it will be your daughter, grand son, it will be you

I say we have to supprort our Kenyans. We cannot leave them to be oppressed by those in power.

You can challenge the above, and try to defend the actions, but you cannot take away the fact that there is more than meet the eye.
murchr
#5 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 9:35:33 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
@Tassia, I think some of what Abdullahi has written is truth.
What mistake did the dead clerics (Khan and Rogo) make? Why was they not arrested and charged in court of law? You believe the police story that they found Rogo with arms? Why did they release him if this was true? Then kill him?

Point out what is not right, or is this a case of "accusing people without evidence"?

I agree that we have to fight wrongs in all possible ways, but not through bypassing the normal rules of evidence, presumption of Guilt and abuse of Human rights.

Ok let me remind you how this government has been operating. Forget Muslim, look at other people who have fought for one thing or another and they ended up dead in the hands of those who are supposed to protect.

I can just name Odhiambo Mbai, Oscar Kamau Kingara (Oscar Foundation) and John Paul Oulo. They were shot dead by gunmen and others by police killings.

What you are seeing is some people just indicting others because they are not your favourite, just because they are fighting for rights of some people.
And now you see Muslims, speaking for one of their own, who is accussed and there is no evidence that they have seen, they have to support him or her.
They cannot say he must have done something wrong, because then they can go to sleep, eat our own food, and enjoy ourselves and forget that he is a Kenyan and is one of us.

But as I said before, we have become stooches of the West, what uncle Sam says, you do. Even when they told you kill one of your own you just kill!
No, we have to say they must be innocent, because the rule even in the Western world, is that a person is innocent until proven guilty.


So if our own is taken from home or even from street, and they are held for suspicion of anything, we must feel like our finger has been cut off.
Like someone has stepped on our chest, like someone snatched our son or our daughter.
That is why you see those people going to the police station, calling, asking, crying and begging.

But because it is not our son. Because it is not our daughter. And we do not have to see them physically, we say nothing. In fact we support the killing!

Oh Kenyans, are we guilty just because we are Muslims?
And what will you wait? Will you wait until you wake up one morning a knock comes through your door.
And you are pulled out of your house and separately from your wife and children.
And you are put inside a prison?

And will you wait until thousands of you, and it is happening now, and you say, not to me!
But because it is only happening one by one by one and you go to work in the morning and you have to take care of your own business, mind your business.
You just say, that Muslim, he must have been guilty.

It will be your son, it will be your daughter, grand son, it will be you

I say we have to supprort our Kenyans. We cannot leave them to be oppressed by those in power.

You can challenge the above, and try to defend the actions, but you cannot take away the fact that there is more than meet the eye.


Why are u assuming they were killed by the police?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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abdulrahman
#6 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 9:53:50 AM
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This Ahamednasir Abdullahi is a war lord in the making. How can he dare say that the Kibaki administration has criminalised professing Islam. Isn't that tantamount to inciting.

"It is a government policy that gives a firm notice to any Muslim leader that death ultimately awaits him" This statement ought to be taken with the weight it carries. I am a muslim but do not feel the same.

Where is the biased Mzalendo and his useless team.
tassia
#7 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 10:20:20 AM
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@AlphDoti
I would have liked to answer you but sorry. You appear not to be well informed about the issues you attempt to discuss.
jamplu
#8 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 10:20:52 AM
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@AlphDoti The two clerics publicly claimed to be friends of alshabab they were all over preaching against peace in this country its on tape and were happy when innocent civilian were killed.

And stop assuming they were killed by the police.
maka
#9 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 10:29:39 AM
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CIA...
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AlphDoti
#10 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 10:48:35 AM
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@Tassia, Why were they arrested, released, then killed? Why were they not charged in court of law and jailed? Why kill them?

@jamplu what is the meaning of "overpreaching". Give us the evidence, not hearsay. We want to listen to these tapes too. RINK please. What do you say about those killed mysteriously before? Not police, who? Aren't the Kenyan police supposed to protect the people? Where is justice by killing?
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