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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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@Sparkly yes he might be biting the hand that feeds him and his country but the will power this guys have to suceed is too great and they will definetly achieve a lot...This is a country going places am telling you,lived there for 2 yeears and was utterly impressed corruption is extremly minimal actually to a point it seems it doesnt exist,they have their work cut out,give them kedo 10 years and you will be amazed at how far they will go as compared to our country...we are too greedy for our own liking every potential good scheme is plagued by corruption guys eating left right and centre its just too much.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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Kenyans talk a lot doing little but expecting to reap big.
Tell Kenyans to contribute and you will hear the talk, tell them to clean their neighborhoods once a month and you will hear loud,clear and for eternity.
The character and fabric of the Rwanda people is so different from Kenyan.
We contribute towards our national budget through taxes,are you people saying that nobody steals just because we are the contributors?
Stop being simplistic, aid helps. It's our shortsightedness and the praise we heap to the monied regardless of how they got their money.
How many times have you heard the "hakujisaidia" phrase?
Stop being simplistic,it's not the mere fact of citizens contributing that will take any country far, it's the change in approach, mentality, character ,ethics and values that will do.
After the second world war,wasn't the vast part of south east asia and parts of far east pulled up through aid?
A people's dictator can wake us Kenyans from the slumber of stupidity we are snoring in.
Kenyans,go on and talk.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2012 Posts: 1,317
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essyk wrote:“Development of our country is the responsibility of all Rwandans, young or old,” Kagame said, adding that[b] no country has ever progressed while depending on others. Compare that with our publicity loving PM in front of international press gleefully receiving 2.4B to fund our elections
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Quote:# AgDF Fund does not intend to replace development funding suspended by Western nations last month but intends to supplement other sources of revenue so as to smoothen the country’s quest for speedy social, economic and political progress.
# President Kagame said establishment of the Fund should be perceived as a sign of dignity – something that is earned and not accorded by others. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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maka wrote:@Sparkly yes he might be biting the hand that feeds him and his country but the will power this guys have to suceed is too great and they will definetly achieve a lot...This is a country going places am telling you,lived there for 2 yeears and was utterly impressed corruption is extremly minimal actually to a point it seems it doesnt exist,they have their work cut out,give them kedo 10 years and you will be amazed at how far they will go as compared to our country...we are too greedy for our own liking every potential good scheme is plagued by corruption guys eating left right and centre its just too much.... I think we look at things from lack of knowledge. Anyone living in Kenya in the 60's and early 70's would have viewed Kenya the same way.I have come to appreciate that all economies have cycles which they go through and one must yield to the next. Rwanda is where Kenya was in the 60's to early 70's. Tanzania is where Kenya was around 1992... The period just at the beginning of huge looting and impunity. This gives rise to shortcuts and entrenches corruption as meritocracy is thrown out the window. Uganda is where Kenya was around 2000 where we had just had enough of corruption and impunity and began the clamour for change. We had the saba saba day riots etc... this period normally comes after the govt losses foreign aid and the country cannot sustain itself... Then comes the period when there is a regime change and the country moves to the next level, But the 'old boyz club' fights to retain power... Eventually they will realise that they have to grow the middle class to about 80% and provide social services if they are to survive. That is what is called a developed economy. I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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bwenyenye wrote:maka wrote:@Sparkly yes he might be biting the hand that feeds him and his country but the will power this guys have to suceed is too great and they will definetly achieve a lot...This is a country going places am telling you,lived there for 2 yeears and was utterly impressed corruption is extremly minimal actually to a point it seems it doesnt exist,they have their work cut out,give them kedo 10 years and you will be amazed at how far they will go as compared to our country...we are too greedy for our own liking every potential good scheme is plagued by corruption guys eating left right and centre its just too much.... I think we look at things from lack of knowledge. Anyone living in Kenya in the 60's and early 70's would have viewed Kenya the same way.I have come to appreciate that all economies have cycles which they go through and one must yield to the next. Rwanda is where Kenya was in the 60's to early 70's. Tanzania is where Kenya was around 1992... The period just at the beginning of huge looting and impunity. This gives rise to shortcuts and entrenches corruption as meritocracy is thrown out the window. Uganda is where Kenya was around 2000 where we had just had enough of corruption and impunity and began the clamour for change. We had the saba saba day riots etc... this period normally comes after the govt losses foreign aid and the country cannot sustain itself... Then comes the period when there is a regime change and the country moves to the next level, But the 'old boyz club' fights to retain power... Eventually they will realise that they have to grow the middle class to about 80% and provide social services if they are to survive. That is what is called a developed economy. @ bwenyenye, I will disagree with you on the part you are comparing present day Rwanda with the Kenya of 70's. It might have an economy not dissimilar from ours in the 70's,what you are missing is the core of their character,their thinking,the way of owning and owning up. They don't go around saying "ni mali ya uma" for they know that which is gov't's is theirs. Here we treating everything owned by gov't like something to be squandered on sight. And for that, they won't spend the next 40 years just to get to Kenya of 2012.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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mkeiyd wrote:Kenyans talk a lot doing little but expecting to reap big.
Tell Kenyans to contribute and you will hear the talk, tell them to clean their neighborhoods once a month and you will hear loud,clear and for eternity.
The character and fabric of the Rwanda people is so different from Kenyan.
We contribute towards our national budget through taxes,are you people saying that nobody steals just because we are the contributors?
Stop being simplistic, aid helps. It's our shortsightedness and the praise we heap to the monied regardless of how they got their money.
How many times have you heard the "hakujisaidia" phrase?
Stop being simplistic,it's not the mere fact of citizens contributing that will take any country far, it's the change in approach, mentality, character ,ethics and values that will do.
After the second world war,wasn't the vast part of south east asia and parts of far east pulled up through aid?
A people's dictator can wake us Kenyans from the slumber of stupidity we are snoring in.
Kenyans,go on and talk. Give us an example of where aid has helped "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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murchr wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Kenyans talk a lot doing little but expecting to reap big.
Tell Kenyans to contribute and you will hear the talk, tell them to clean their neighborhoods once a month and you will hear loud,clear and for eternity.
The character and fabric of the Rwanda people is so different from Kenyan.
We contribute towards our national budget through taxes,are you people saying that nobody steals just because we are the contributors?
Stop being simplistic, aid helps. It's our shortsightedness and the praise we heap to the monied regardless of how they got their money.
How many times have you heard the "hakujisaidia" phrase?
Stop being simplistic,it's not the mere fact of citizens contributing that will take any country far, it's the change in approach, mentality, character ,ethics and values that will do.
After the second world war,wasn't the vast part of south east asia and parts of far east pulled up through aid?
A people's dictator can wake us Kenyans from the slumber of stupidity we are snoring in.
Kenyans,go on and talk. Give us an example of where aid has helped Cant give an African example but for sure aid helped rebuild a devastated Europe after WWII. Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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Most of the time the aid is not free of charge . It is to be repaid with intrest. So if corrupt leaders divert the aid into their pockets you should not blame the lenders/givers. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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bkismat wrote:murchr wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Kenyans talk a lot doing little but expecting to reap big.
Tell Kenyans to contribute and you will hear the talk, tell them to clean their neighborhoods once a month and you will hear loud,clear and for eternity.
The character and fabric of the Rwanda people is so different from Kenyan.
We contribute towards our national budget through taxes,are you people saying that nobody steals just because we are the contributors?
Stop being simplistic, aid helps. It's our shortsightedness and the praise we heap to the monied regardless of how they got their money.
How many times have you heard the "hakujisaidia" phrase?
Stop being simplistic,it's not the mere fact of citizens contributing that will take any country far, it's the change in approach, mentality, character ,ethics and values that will do.
After the second world war,wasn't the vast part of south east asia and parts of far east pulled up through aid?
A people's dictator can wake us Kenyans from the slumber of stupidity we are snoring in.
Kenyans,go on and talk. Give us an example of where aid has helped Cant give an African example but for sure aid helped rebuild a devastated Europe after WWII. Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? Europe was literally built by Africa after the war. Ama that is what u refer as Aid? The stealing of resources and free labor built what we now call Europe. There is no country in the world that has succeeded by the help of Aid. Not even Asia "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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