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Grunade attack in Kisauni,Mombasa.
harrydre
#41 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 6:59:18 PM
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I feel nothing for a terrorist going down...infact if they can eliminate all of them it would be great & all those MRC/AL-SHabab sympathisers rioting (majority if not all are muslim) should also be hunted and jailed.
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maka
#42 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:02:23 PM
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If am not wrong Islam has never been about violence,the elements burning the church are some other breed of peeps who have a different agenda but truth be told this thing is getting out of hand and its being aired everywhere,what kind of tourist would want to come to coast at the moment we are loosing big time a s a country we havent even recovered from PEV we are fighting something else and my biggest worry is that the elections arent even near,lets brace ourselves for some tough times ahead,we never learn,we have the thickest of heads...
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murchr
#43 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:02:34 PM
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Seems the situation is getting serious
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Lolest!
#44 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:57:19 PM
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I agree with @alma on one thing: we MUST abstain from blaming Muslims and Islam for the violence at the Coast. Now @pariah might ask, isn't this refusing to call a spade a spade and dealing with the problem head on? The answer to this is simple. We need national cohesion. Across religions, races and tribes. We know the weaknesses of tribes, races and religious groups but we mustn't go around rubbing in some of these things. This is important if we don't want to see the country burn.

Thus, as much as it is almost certain that the goons involved in the skirmishes are Muslims, we must avoid blaming Islam and demonising the Kenyan Muslim community. Some here know how bad it feels to be branded Mungiki just because you are Kikuyu or Jaluo Jinga just because your tribesmen uprooted the railway.

But, maybe that's where my concurrence with @alma ends. The govt must now move decisively the way it did with Mungiki. They knew the sect members were not from Samburu or Kisii or Mwingi. They knew the target groups. In this case, we know who the target group is. The govt should be allowed to 'break a few rules' like it did with the ngiki and SLDF.

Now my worry is the numerous groups fighting for the rights of Muslims in Kenya. We didn't have Kikuyu and Sabaot NGOs fighting for the thugs who met their deaths at the hands of security officers. I can't remember demonstrations after that.
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Rahatupu
#45 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:14:29 PM
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[quote=Lolest!]I agree with @alma on one thing: we MUST abstain from blaming Muslims and Islam for the violence at the Coast. Now @pariah might ask, isn't this refusing to call a spade a spade and dealing with the problem head on? The answer to this is simple. We need national cohesion. Across religions, races and tribes. We know the weaknesses of tribes, races and religious groups but we mustn't go around rubbing in some of these things. This is important if we don't want to see the country burn.

Thus, as much as it is almost certain that the goons involved in the skirmishes are Muslims, we must avoid blaming Islam and demonising the Kenyan Muslim community. Some here know how bad it feels to be branded Mungiki just because you are Kikuyu or Jaluo Jinga just because your tribesmen uprooted the railway.
@lol... Well said. However what we are facing is criminality and sympathies for the same.Terrorism is real yet our leaders choose not to look at it as such. This should be a debate about terrorism in Mombasa and not about Muslim Christian relationship. Now grenades in the hands of goons policemen killed and oar condemns killing of Rogo and not the officers that we all expect to keep the peace. We must call a spade a spade and let the state unleash violence on them. I rest my case.



essyk
#46 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:38:25 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
Where are the faggots called human rights activists to condemn and make noise about the killing of two police officers?
Is the life of one cleric who himself called Al Shabaab "our friends",more important than the lives of police officers and church property?


Wow Mkyei.Could you be the person I was talking to this evening on my way home?
I provoked him into a discussion about what is happening to kill boredom and dude was like hurricane katrina waiting for right moment.
He talked from Nile to Tana! about insecurity in kenya,hs view on MRC etc.I learned a lot.
Nway what really caught my attention were his thoughts on human right groups in Kenya.
They have been given too much power.
When Michuki set out to clean the country of goons,they called it extra judicial killings.
Whenever the cops set out to do their jobs the Human rights watchdog come out in force to lay blame.
In his view the so called Human rights groups are responsible for this insecurity we are experiencing.They have even rendered the powers that be helpless.
Damn we didn't finish.
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Sarrouniya
#47 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:39:14 PM
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tycho wrote:
alma wrote:
@Tycho Applause Applause

I have to say, that is the most refreshing, thought provoking argument I have seen on wazua.

I will take a long time to think about an answer. Applause That is if I can find one.


Thank you. We are certain to find answers to these questions if we keep up the conversation. And you are doing a great job in keeping it.


Difference btw tycho and alma... Emotional intelligence. @alma may have a point but the way it is raised waters it down and communication is broken. Its not what you say but how you say it...wazua taught me that.

Having said that, the primitive energy on display appears to be bigger and always the mboyz are for hire. Taken individually, they probably don't know exactly why they attack whoever they attack. They are disillusioned. Have nothing to lose. And act on mob psychology.
We need to peel to fully comprehend the bigger picture, the inciters. God help Kenya.
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rock
#48 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:50:43 PM
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Ati human rights guys are responsible for insecurity?kweli guys can really pass the buck,so its true we've been blinded by thika road.What good will it serve us if we're not there to use it..only maybe to flee to our respective shags when s*** hits the fan?
Lucid_Iam
#49 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:37:05 AM
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Now that we are in the process of reforming our police force, can we just outsource the service to SAPS. Some of the youth who have access to grenades need to be hammered seriously.
murchr
#50 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:39:33 AM
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rock wrote:
Ati human rights guys are responsible for insecurity?kweli guys can really pass the buck,so its true we've been blinded by thika road.What good will it serve us if we're not there to use it..only maybe to flee to our respective shags when s*** hits the fan?


To some extent they are, aren't they the first ones to run to the courts when a suspect is held, even when its clear that they are involved in some s**t?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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