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Rahatupu
#1 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:33:22 AM
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There is an urgent need to preempt the increasing threat to the threat to Kenya's national security as we move closer to the polls. The likelihood of sabotage from outside is very likely. This is informed by the new found mineral resources, improved infrastructural capacity and the general future economic outlook.

What do you as think tank make of the recent increase in challenges to our territorial integrity with Ilemi, and Somali claims coming up all together? Coupled with the death of Meles Zenawi, and threats to internal security as well? Coincidental? I don't think so.
Threat?
mkeiyd
#2 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:45:09 AM
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Rahatupu wrote:
There is an urgent need to preempt the increasing threat to the threat to Kenya's national security as we move closer to the polls. The likelihood of sabotage from outside is very likely. This is informed by the new found mineral resources, improved infrastructural capacity and the general future economic outlook.

What do you as think tank make of the recent increase in challenges to our territorial integrity with Ilemi, and Somali claims coming up all together? Coupled with the death of Meles Zenawi, and threats to internal security as well? Coincidental? I don't think so.
Threat?


@rahatupu,Ilemi triangle has been in dispute,on Somalia, rem the shifta war? These issues have always been there but with no structured gov'ts to make demand, they've remained as undercurrents. Of course with the oil finds you expect scrutiny on territorial borders.
It's natural and expected.
Rahatupu
#3 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2012 12:19:01 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
There is an urgent need to preempt the increasing threat to the threat to Kenya's national security as we move closer to the polls. The likelihood of sabotage from outside is very likely. This is informed by the new found mineral resources, improved infrastructural capacity and the general future economic outlook.

What do you as think tank make of the recent increase in challenges to our territorial integrity with Ilemi, and Somali claims coming up all together? Coupled with the death of Meles Zenawi, and threats to internal security as well? Coincidental? I don't think so.
Threat?


@rahatupu,Ilemi triangle has been in dispute,on Somalia, rem the shifta war? These issues have always been there but with no structured gov'ts to make demand, they've remained as undercurrents. Of course with the oil finds you expect scrutiny on territorial borders.
It's natural and expected.
.

Mkeyied, Kweli now with all the info on mineral resources known or speculatively what is the best way forward? I believe we must arm motherland to the teeth as a preemptive measure.
Robinhood
#4 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2012 1:00:22 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
There is an urgent need to preempt the increasing threat to the threat to Kenya's national security as we move closer to the polls. The likelihood of sabotage from outside is very likely. This is informed by the new found mineral resources, improved infrastructural capacity and the general future economic outlook.

What do you as think tank make of the recent increase in challenges to our territorial integrity with Ilemi, and Somali claims coming up all together? Coupled with the death of Meles Zenawi, and threats to internal security as well? Coincidental? I don't think so.
Threat?


@rahatupu,Ilemi triangle has been in dispute,on Somalia, rem the shifta war? These issues have always been there but with no structured gov'ts to make demand, they've remained as undercurrents. Of course with the oil finds you expect scrutiny on territorial borders.
It's natural and expected.
.

Mkeyied, Kweli now with all the info on mineral resources known or speculatively what is the best way forward? I believe we must arm motherland to the teeth as a preemptive measure.


Ditto. M7 bought advanced jets soonest he found oil. We must be no pushovers
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
tycho
#5 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2012 3:17:53 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
There is an urgent need to preempt the increasing threat to the threat to Kenya's national security as we move closer to the polls. The likelihood of sabotage from outside is very likely. This is informed by the new found mineral resources, improved infrastructural capacity and the general future economic outlook.

What do you as think tank make of the recent increase in challenges to our territorial integrity with Ilemi, and Somali claims coming up all together? Coupled with the death of Meles Zenawi, and threats to internal security as well? Coincidental? I don't think so.
Threat?


I doubt whether this is a perspective worth having. It is full of fear, and personally I am tired of living under constant fear.

Perhaps this may not be the case for the 'capitalist' but as a 'peasant' I have nothing to lose but my chains. So to ask me to think of how I'll preserve my chains is to ask for too much.
Rahatupu
#6 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2012 3:35:22 PM
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tycho wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
There is an urgent need to preempt the increasing threat to the threat to Kenya's national security as we move closer to the polls. The likelihood of sabotage from outside is very likely. This is informed by the new found mineral resources, improved infrastructural capacity and the general future economic outlook.

What do you as think tank make of the recent increase in challenges to our territorial integrity with Ilemi, and Somali claims coming up all together? Coupled with the death of Meles Zenawi, and threats to internal security as well? Coincidental? I don't think so.
Threat?


I doubt whether this is a perspective worth having. It is full of fear, and personally I am tired of living under constant fear.

Perhaps this may not be the case for the 'capitalist' but as a 'peasant' I have nothing to lose but my chains. So to ask me to think of how I'll preserve my chains is to ask for too much.
.

@Tycho, sorry this is a matter of national importance. For you to live without fear you need a government that takes care of your security concerns whether in "chains" or "free" you need to be free from fear itself. This fear is what we are projecting to be emanating from both within and outside the territorial area that makes up Kenya.
tycho
#7 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2012 3:58:11 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
tycho wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
There is an urgent need to preempt the increasing threat to the threat to Kenya's national security as we move closer to the polls. The likelihood of sabotage from outside is very likely. This is informed by the new found mineral resources, improved infrastructural capacity and the general future economic outlook.

What do you as think tank make of the recent increase in challenges to our territorial integrity with Ilemi, and Somali claims coming up all together? Coupled with the death of Meles Zenawi, and threats to internal security as well? Coincidental? I don't think so.
Threat?


I doubt whether this is a perspective worth having. It is full of fear, and personally I am tired of living under constant fear.

Perhaps this may not be the case for the 'capitalist' but as a 'peasant' I have nothing to lose but my chains. So to ask me to think of how I'll preserve my chains is to ask for too much.
.

@Tycho, sorry this is a matter of national importance. For you to live without fear you need a government that takes care of your security concerns whether in "chains" or "free" you need to be free from fear itself. This fear is what we are projecting to be emanating from both within and outside the territorial area that makes up Kenya.


I doubt whether a matter of national importance is that important now that I have matters of human importance at hand. The nation state is a product of a myth whose validity is so shaky. It is shaky because I have the capacity to have a different mythology.

Considering matters identity, you will quickly see that a person is but a chain of verbal relationships that range from those long dead to those who will be born many years from now. Don't you think I must be very wary of boundaries that will blur this range of identity?

It is understandable that an isolated person will feel threatened; but what to do if one discovers that this isolation is false?

The Leviathan succeeds by generating fear, yet some are saying that we should run to him so that we can be free from fear; isn't this a crazy contradiction?

Worse still are the effects of jumping on this nationalist band wagon; it means surrendering many democratic rights like of freedom of speech and association for we must all please the beast. And who will the beast be? The most terrifying war lord.



mkeiyd
#8 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2012 4:38:51 PM
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@tycho, The state enables you to handle your matters of human importance. The nation state is not a myth.
I would like to know where you were in those dark weeks of 2008. For me, those weeks made me appreciate nationhood and a functioning gov't.
Even with money,buying basic stuff was a toll order.
With the discovery of oil and a growing economy, it will be about time we modernized our defenses.

The poor never bothers with fencing, but if you have something that others might be eyeing, you need more than a strong fence.
tycho
#9 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2012 5:22:43 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
@tycho, The state enables you to handle your matters of human importance. The nation state is not a myth.
I would like to know where you were in those dark weeks of 2008. For me, those weeks made me appreciate nationhood and a functioning gov't.
Even with money,buying basic stuff was a toll order.
With the discovery of oil and a growing economy, it will be about time we modernized our defenses.

The poor never bothers with fencing, but if you have something that others might be eyeing, you need more than a strong fence.


@mkeiyd, only mythology can help in tackling matters of human importance. And the state is built on a myth. Do we need to go back to Plato and C to prove this point? The body politic arises out of mythology.

But every myth has its day, and those of the nation state are over.

The myth of the nation state begun to peel off (at least for me) its mask in the events of 2008. Where was the voter's power? How can a body politic fail to know how her citizens have voted?

I almost joined the march to state house the day the nation state collapsed. But then I discovered that a Wanjiku like me could not handle the matter at hand, I did not even know what was happening. But I discovered that I was incapable of defending the constitution under a hail of bullets and rocks.

All fear is based on the threat of loss, but how can one lose what he doesn't have? The individual is a part of the decadent myth. He is too powerless to be given a hearing.
Robinhood
#10 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 6:48:04 AM
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What are guys arguing about again?
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
tycho
#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:18:39 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
There is an urgent need to preempt the increasing threat to the threat to Kenya's national security as we move closer to the polls. The likelihood of sabotage from outside is very likely. This is informed by the new found mineral resources, improved infrastructural capacity and the general future economic outlook.

What do you as think tank make of the recent increase in challenges to our territorial integrity with Ilemi, and Somali claims coming up all together? Coupled with the death of Meles Zenawi, and threats to internal security as well? Coincidental? I don't think so.
Threat?


Having united the political and the spiritual, (at least in my case)I can think of this matter more seriously.

The body politic is protected predominantly by armed forces. But the threats that we are facing now cannot be handled forcefully.

We must thus marshal unarmed forces to bring matters to settlement.

But what are unarmed forces? Spiritual forces. How to harness these?
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