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KRA delay in issuing logbooks
sizzla
#21 Posted : Tuesday, August 07, 2012 10:38:11 AM
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nakujua wrote:
Imagine if at equity he failed to oversee the printing of atm cards because of lack of plastic cards - he would have been fired immediately.



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly i guess that's why he preferred a GoK job!!
livie
#22 Posted : Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:42:18 AM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
nakujua wrote:
how mediocre can we get, what's the complexity in printing a single page.


Come to think of it; that log book is a useless meaningless piece of paper - just like a title deed.

Having one does not prove that you own anything! That is why when we buy/sell cars and lands, we first conduct a search of records at the respective registries...

The registrar should simply do away with "security printed" log books because the offer no security whatsoever!

If I were him, I'd simply print the car details on ordinary paper with a clear disclaimer that the details MUST be confirmed at the registry before transfer of the vehicle.




well said my friend, well said!!!Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause
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jimmy1
#23 Posted : Tuesday, August 07, 2012 3:03:08 PM
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Dennis Itumbi
about an hour ago near Nairobi, Kenya
Kenya Government Printers are responsible for the delay in issuing Logbooks and Driving Licences by KRA, something to do with their procurement and Delivery systems, KRA has nothing to do with the delay, So Government Printers what is the problem...checking.....
nakujua
#24 Posted : Tuesday, August 07, 2012 3:43:19 PM
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jimmy1 wrote:
Dennis Itumbi
about an hour ago near Nairobi, Kenya
Kenya Government Printers are responsible for the delay in issuing Logbooks and Driving Licences by KRA, something to do with their procurement and Delivery systems, KRA has nothing to do with the delay, So Government Printers what is the problem...checking.....


the blame lies with kra, its like saying that if your family does not have food its the fault of the food vendor instead of the parent.

People pick log books and dl from kra, not government printers.
DonBen
#25 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 10:06:06 AM
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nakujua wrote:
jimmy1 wrote:
Dennis Itumbi
about an hour ago near Nairobi, Kenya
Kenya Government Printers are responsible for the delay in issuing Logbooks and Driving Licences by KRA, something to do with their procurement and Delivery systems, KRA has nothing to do with the delay, So Government Printers what is the problem...checking.....


the blame lies with kra, its like saying that if your family does not have food its the fault of the food vendor instead of the parent.

People pick log books and dl from kra, not government printers.


On the contrary, these log books are sourced competitively in the open market. Other than De La Rue, I doubt if there is a Kenyan printer with the technical know-how to produce logbooks with the security features that KRA requires. These security features are being introduced to reduce car theft and high incidences of fraud which ultimately deny KRA tax revenues.

KRA advertised tenders for printing of registration books (log books) sometime in May this year. The link for the tender can be found here

http://www.revenue.go.ke...s/pdf2012/RTDTender.pdf

and

here
http://www.kra.go.ke/not.../tender%20extension.pdf

These tenders are still being analysed and have not been awarded as yet. The Government Printer was not one of the bidders. Security printing of logbooks cannot be done by Government Printer which relies on ancient technology. Even River Road printers are much ahead of Government Printer when it comes to security printing.

Dennis Itumbi will check and continue checking until thy kingdom come. The facts are available on the KRA website.

Printing of new logbooks is all about KRA meeting it's annual tax collection targets. There is too much forgery and fraud involving KRA documents. They must continue changing and introducing new features to keep ahead of criminals.


chiaroscuro
#26 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2012 11:25:12 AM
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I still maintain: they are a complete waste of public money! A friend who has just picked his new import car from Mombasa port put it this way: "No one can sell a car without a logbook, yet no one buys a car on the strength of a log book"!
nakujua
#27 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:29:09 AM
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DonBen wrote:
nakujua wrote:
jimmy1 wrote:
Dennis Itumbi
about an hour ago near Nairobi, Kenya
Kenya Government Printers are responsible for the delay in issuing Logbooks and Driving Licences by KRA, something to do with their procurement and Delivery systems, KRA has nothing to do with the delay, So Government Printers what is the problem...checking.....


the blame lies with kra, its like saying that if your family does not have food its the fault of the food vendor instead of the parent.

People pick log books and dl from kra, not government printers.


On the contrary, these log books are sourced competitively in the open market. Other than De La Rue, I doubt if there is a Kenyan printer with the technical know-how to produce logbooks with the security features that KRA requires. These security features are being introduced to reduce car theft and high incidences of fraud which ultimately deny KRA tax revenues.

KRA advertised tenders for printing of registration books (log books) sometime in May this year. The link for the tender can be found here

http://www.revenue.go.ke...s/pdf2012/RTDTender.pdf

and

here
http://www.kra.go.ke/not.../tender%20extension.pdf

These tenders are still being analysed and have not been awarded as yet. The Government Printer was not one of the bidders. Security printing of logbooks cannot be done by Government Printer which relies on ancient technology. Even River Road printers are much ahead of Government Printer when it comes to security printing.

Dennis Itumbi will check and continue checking until thy kingdom come. The facts are available on the KRA website.

Printing of new logbooks is all about KRA meeting it's annual tax collection targets. There is too much forgery and fraud involving KRA documents. They must continue changing and introducing new features to keep ahead of criminals.



since a logbook is not a legal tender - one has to cross check the authenticity anyway - just do away with it - they will be a step closer to meeting the annual targets.

ama kuna vile
mawinder
#28 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:16:12 PM
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how will they eat if you do away with logbooks?
jimmy1
#29 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:20:48 AM
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KRA logbooks crisis slows down motor vehicle trade

A logbook crunch has persisted for weeks now, delaying new registration of motor vehicles and in turn afflicting business in sectors, including banking.
The shortage of logbooks at the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) headquarters at Times Tower has bogged down the transfer of motor vehicles - both new and old - and motorcycles, straining the cashflows of dealers.
Dealers said they are stuck with stocks in their yards as consumers are not willing to buy them without logbooks.
“We have about 100,000 cars that were supposed to have been bought which are still here due to lack of logbooks,” said Charles Munyori, the chairman of Kenya Autobazaar Association (Kaba). That means they cannot order new units.
Government officials say the glitch follows the logbooks in stock being deemed to have been procured without following procedure.
“We are currently issuing copies of our online documents for the buyers to use as logbooks in the interim, but we intend to tackle the problem from today,” said Registrar of Motor Vehicles Francis Meja.
He said KRA was issuing alternative documents to buyers before the problem is sorted out this week.
“We are currently issuing copies of our online documents for the buyers to use as logbooks in the interim, but we intend to tackle the problem this week,” said Mr Meja.
He declined to disclose the nature of the procurement delays. However, sources said extra logbooks were delivered with the previous order, but could not be issued until the sale was regularised.
In the meantime, KRA cannot buy new logbooks because they have them in stock. It is not clear why the supplier delivered more logbooks than was indicated in the local purchase order.
In May, KRA floated tenders for a new supplier of logbooks.
Dealers say it now takes up to two months to get a logbook from KRA, compared to two weeks previously.
Dealers at Car and General said that it currently takes even two months to get a single vehicle logbook and this has reduced their sales.
“When people want to buy a vehicle they expect to get their logbooks instantly - they easily change their mind on realising you don’t have one.
We are supposed to be selling more cars than we are doing,” said Joseph Mulwa, the logistics co-ordinator Car and General, motor vehicle dealer.
For instance, if you order 100 logbooks from KRA you get about half and the rest will take too long to come,” he added.
KRA used to send logbooks to buyers through the post office three months ago. This was, however, stopped when the taxman started issuing the logbooks immediately after the purchase of the vehicle.
The situation has deteriorated in the three months because of lack of confidence in the alternative papers being issued by KRA.
Passenger Service Vehicles (PSV) operators have complained to motor dealers that they cannot get Transport Licensing Board (TLB) licenses to operate without logbooks.
“PSV operators are having difficulty obtaining a licence from the TLB as the receipts from KRA are not being recognised,” said Ferdinand Gideon, the head of logistics at Associated Motors Ltd, suppliers of PSV vehicles.
“The problem is that we don’t know what is happening. KRA should make the issue public so that our clients don’t blame us for this inconvenience.”
Those seeking financing from commercial banks are said to be affected as banks ask for the logbooks to advance loans.
The communications manager at KRA, Kennedy Onyonyi, however, said that some people were transacting using documents provided by KRA in place of logbooks, adding that some books were ready for issuance.
Auto dealers say they are faced with credibility problems when they deliver vehicles to their clients without all documentation.
The number of motorcycles sold dropped by 30 per cent to 38,000 units in the first five months of the year, a situation attributed to slow processing of logbooks and subsequent slowdown in financing of purchases. Most motorcycle buyers purchase them through loans provided by micro-financiers.
The number of motor vehicles sold in the first five months of the year, however, still increased by eight per cent from 23,865 to 25,856.
The taxman is also forfeiting revenue as buyers postpone acquiring vehicles until they get logbooks.
Mr Mulwa says that insurance companies are also refusing to insure vehicles without proof of ownership.
The managing director of Heritage Insurance, John Milne, said there were a number of cases where KRA was not submitting logbooks.
Insurance companies, however, have a three-month window within which they can issue a cover without a logbook.
The cover is, however, cancelled if the owner fails to present the logbook during the grace period.
“Because of this reason the insurance sector has not been affected as such so far,” said Beatrice Hioyhu, director in charge of underwriting and claims at Heritage Insurance.
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However, she noted it would be difficult to process claims if a car that had no logbook was involved in an accident.
Behemoth
#30 Posted : Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:52:42 PM
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Any idea how long it will last?
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Benzino
#31 Posted : Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:15:24 PM
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Behemoth wrote:
Any idea how long it will last?


KRA recieved a new batch of logbooks last week. I have received mine Applause :d/
Layman
#32 Posted : Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:54:45 AM
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Now its the number plates that are out of stock, iko shida hapa.
Benzino
#33 Posted : Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:18:02 PM
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Layman wrote:
Now its the number plates that are out of stock, iko shida hapa.


Sasa wewe...How is this possible, yet I just had a car issued with a number plate 20 Mins ago... Talk of badly informed rumor-mongers.....Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
McReggae
#34 Posted : Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:42:23 PM
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Change of log book: Anybody knows if KRA are demanding for the old number plates???
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#35 Posted : Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:06:24 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Change of log book: Anybody knows if KRA are demanding for the old number plates???


I did it two months ago and they didn't but hey i used somebody who knows somebodySad
Impunity
#36 Posted : Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:30:03 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Change of log book: Anybody knows if KRA are demanding for the old number plates???


Why would one want to change a log book, just asking? (suppose he is not selling the car)
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#37 Posted : Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:25:39 PM
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Exchange of number plates can arise in some cases eg one has bought an ex GK or ex parastatal (blue plate) or changing to unique number plates for motorcycles, tractors and tuktuks. One has to surrender the old logbook

Change of logbook is brought about by change of particulars eg colour, engine, class etc
to be or not to be remains the question
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