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‘Bring me down and kill the reform dream’
mkeiyd
#21 Posted : Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:39:39 AM
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nakujua wrote:
abdulrahman wrote:
The "reformer" is indeed a "reformer".

I have never seen or heard something he reformed in Kibera.


well, I don't think we can measure his alleged reforms from kibera - I think that's being a tad too harsh on him.
I think he played some part in the reform movement in the 80's and maybe early 90's.

He was not the among the major guys, but he was in there somewhere.


Who were those big guys?
mkeiyd
#22 Posted : Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:44:17 AM
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nakujua wrote:
abdulrahman wrote:
The "reformer" is indeed a "reformer".

I have never seen or heard something he reformed in Kibera.


well, I don't think we can measure his alleged reforms from kibera - I think that's being a tad too harsh on him.
I think he played some part in the reform movement in the 80's and maybe early 90's.

He was not the among the major guys, but he was in there somewhere.


Who were those big guys?
Money Whisperer
#23 Posted : Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:46:17 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:


Who were those big guys?


Jaramogi
Anyona
Shikuku
Njeru Kathangu
Orengo
Matiba

"Money never sleeps"
Money Whisperer
#24 Posted : Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:49:21 PM
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Kratos wrote:
Today's paper had the apologists PR team on over drive. Again killing the messenger to dilute the message. Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

Why do makau Mutua and sarah Elderkin have to go for ad hominems instead of addressing the issues put forth by Ja-Nyando? Calling him delusional and making aspersions that he is schizophrenic doesn't prove anything. If a madman walks around the market shouting Kibaki is the president would you say he is lying because he is mad?
"Money never sleeps"
Lucid_Iam
#25 Posted : Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:14:33 PM
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Money Whisperer wrote:
Kratos wrote:
Today's paper had the apologists PR team on over drive. Again killing the messenger to dilute the message. Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

Why do makau Mutua and sarah Elderkin have to go for ad hominems instead of addressing the issues put forth by Ja-Nyando? Calling him delusional and making aspersions that he is schizophrenic doesn't prove anything. If a madman walks around the market shouting Kibaki is the president would you say he is lying because he is mad?

This strategy is also counter productive IMHO.
mkeiyd
#26 Posted : Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:21:19 PM
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Money Whisperer wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:


Who were those big guys?


Jaramogi
Anyona
Shikuku
Njeru Kathangu
Orengo
Matiba



Good to know.
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#27 Posted : Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:06:38 PM
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Money Whisperer wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:


Who were those big guys?


Jaramogi
Anyona
Shikuku
Njeru Kathangu
Orengo
Matiba


And these forgotten heroes, some who even died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims in this country!

Archbishop David Gitari
Archbishop Alexander Muge(R.I.P)
Reverend Timothy Njoya

LEST WE FORGET!
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harrydre
#28 Posted : Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:02:48 AM
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There are many more people who have fought for reforms... George Anyona, Koigi Wamwere, Gitobu Imanyara, John Khaminwa, Gibson Kamau Kuria, Kenneth Matiba and Charles Rubia etc
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murchr
#29 Posted : Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:09:00 AM
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harrydre wrote:
There are many more people who have fought for reforms... George Anyona, Koigi Wamwere, Gitobu Imanyara, John Khaminwa, Gibson Kamau Kuria, Kenneth Matiba and Charles Rubia etc


Even Kiraitu Murungi was one of those who fought for reforms
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nostoppingthis
#30 Posted : Wednesday, August 01, 2012 8:12:48 AM
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murchr wrote:
harrydre wrote:
There are many more people who have fought for reforms... George Anyona, Koigi Wamwere, Gitobu Imanyara, John Khaminwa, Gibson Kamau Kuria, Kenneth Matiba and Charles Rubia etc


Even Kiraitu Murungi was one of those who fought for reforms


and eventually toed the line...
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#31 Posted : Wednesday, August 01, 2012 1:02:11 PM
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.....George nthenge ,masinde muliro ,mohammed bamariz
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#32 Posted : Wednesday, August 01, 2012 4:24:57 PM
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fact: kibera should be used to benchmark rao leadership xter, its for kenyans to decide wot thy want: developmental and progressive concise leader or a pure plain worded leader.

if as a country we wnt to go for a pure reformer, as much as rao my fit the bill, there are btter candidates in this front as mentiond in the previous comments.

if you look as a country where we stand in terms youth empowerment, development agenda and economy as a whole, am sure a reformer is the last persn we need as a president...we need some1 to carry one baba jimmys work
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