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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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now donors(us german netherlands etc) are dropping support to rwanda like a hot potato over alleged rwandan support of drcongo m23 rebels. this is why I think african dictators should learn to retire when they are still useful. if kagame retired like last year he would be in almost same rank as mandela. now without donor support he will be nothing punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Really? Want to bet? Do they have money to give now? I was under the impression that the region is undergoin Euro Crisis.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/7/2007 Posts: 838
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newfarer wrote:now donors(us german netherlands etc) are dropping support to rwanda like a hot potato over alleged rwandan support of drcongo m23 rebels.
this is why I think african dictators should learn to retire when they are still useful.
if kagame retired like last year he would be in almost same rank as mandela.
now without donor support he will be nothing
I honestly feel sorry for you. WHO DARES WINS
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/22/2010 Posts: 510 Location: De egg
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With Euro crisis they need an exit strategy , it also seems like the guy has outlived his usefulness by becoming too indepedent minded . Peace be with you
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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He,s not going to survive for long...love them or hate them,this is one country that has been propped up by donor funds...if they exit now the masses will feel the gap. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Kagame remains one of the best president's Africa will and has ever had. Just visit Kigali and see for yourself. How genuine are these claims or is it a way to bring him down now that he is never afraid to speak his mind? Just like they do to other independent leaders? I am glad china is there if donor exploiting loans are withdrawn! i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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aemathenge wrote:Really? Want to bet?
Do they have money to give now? I was under the impression that the region is undergoin Euro Crisis. Mathenge, really? While some of these countries may be facing difficulties, the so called official development assistance is a mere drop in bucket for them. The monies may look huge to us, but I assure you that it is pocket change to them. The US gave $53b in 2010 as official aid, GDP is $15 Trillion, budget $4 Trillion. You can do the math. Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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newfarer wrote:now donors(us german netherlands etc) are dropping support to rwanda like a hot potato over alleged rwandan support of drcongo m23 rebels.
this is why I think african dictators should learn to retire when they are still useful.
if kagame retired like last year he would be in almost same rank as mandela.
now without donor support he will be nothing
newfarer is right. The Western powers switch their allegiances at their convenience. One minute you are a darling, the next a pariah. It is not about Kagame. Something in the DR situation must have changed and the West have flip-flopped. May be they have been promised tonnes of raw minerals or oil. It is incredibly difficult to survive the propaganda machine. Next, they will start funnelling money to Kagame's local opposition. If there is none, they will create one. Then the funding and strategic economic taps will dry up ...media houses controlled by corrupt barons will start running some very nasty pieces and exposes. Kagame is not like Putin, Ahmadinejad or Chavez, he has nothing he can fight back with... And China might not come to the rescue. Is there anything China can harvest from Rwanda? Or are you all naive to assume they are benevolent benefactors?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/7/2007 Posts: 838
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If wishes were horses,i'd probably be a horse manure tycoon by now. WHO DARES WINS
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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You may want to watch this interview that Kagame did with Al Jazeera regarding the rebels. http://www.aljazeera.com...2012718181248498489.htmlThey tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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quicksand wrote:newfarer wrote:now donors(us german netherlands etc) are dropping support to rwanda like a hot potato over alleged rwandan support of drcongo m23 rebels.
this is why I think african dictators should learn to retire when they are still useful.
if kagame retired like last year he would be in almost same rank as mandela.
now without donor support he will be nothing
newfarer is right. The Western powers switch their allegiances at their convenience. One minute you are a darling, the next a pariah. It is not about Kagame. Something in the DR situation must have changed and the West have flip-flopped. May be they have been promised tonnes of raw minerals or oil. It is incredibly difficult to survive the propaganda machine. Next, they will start funnelling money to Kagame's local opposition. If there is none, they will create one. Then the funding and strategic economic taps will dry up ...media houses controlled by corrupt barons will start running some very nasty pieces and exposes. Kagame is not like Putin, Ahmadinejad or Chavez, he has nothing he can fight back with... And China might not come to the rescue. Is there anything China can harvest from Rwanda? Or are you all naive to assume they are benevolent benefactors? Those countries were guilty because they let the Rwandan genocide happen without lifting a finger.Consequently they pumped alot of money into that country.If they cut off the tap it may be in big problems. A good example is Malawi. In his 1st term Bingu wa Mutharika was their darling and Malawi was even exporting maize to Kenya. When he fell out with them you know waht happenned next. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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newfarer wrote:now donors(us german netherlands etc) are dropping support to rwanda like a hot potato over alleged rwandan support of drcongo m23 rebels.
this is why I think african dictators should learn to retire when they are still useful.
if kagame retired like last year he would be in almost same rank as mandela.
now without donor support he will be nothing
@newfarer, What do you suggest he should do? Dance to their whims? Rwanda will survive because of the business environment they have developed. If it were Burundi,it would be a different ball game all together.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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If Kagame defends Rwanda against the Interahamwe (by supporting M23), he is damned and damned if he does not.
I say that first and foremest Kagame is Rwandese (these days they call themselves Rwandans) and owes his allegience to Rwanda's consitution.
Not the DRC, and certainly not the international community. If he is ousted for defending his country's consitution, so be it. He will go out a hero. He will go out defending his people's right to live. Africa certainly needs more Kagames.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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Why is Joseph Kabila behaving like a wimp? He controls so much wealth in minerals that if was worth of leading DRC, he would have already built an army capable of defending the country. He should quit for his inability to defend his people and their property. He continues in the same path taken by Moise Tshombe, Kasabuvu and Kuku ngbendu wa Zabanga Mobutu. He is a traitor when compared to the late Patrice Lumumba.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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quicksand wrote:newfarer wrote:now donors(us german netherlands etc) are dropping support to rwanda like a hot potato over alleged rwandan support of drcongo m23 rebels.
this is why I think african dictators should learn to retire when they are still useful.
if kagame retired like last year he would be in almost same rank as mandela.
now without donor support he will be nothing
newfarer is right. The Western powers switch their allegiances at their convenience. One minute you are a darling, the next a pariah. It is not about Kagame. Something in the DR situation must have changed and the West have flip-flopped. May be they have been promised tonnes of raw minerals or oil. It is incredibly difficult to survive the propaganda machine. Next, they will start funnelling money to Kagame's local opposition. If there is none, they will create one. Then the funding and strategic economic taps will dry up ...media houses controlled by corrupt barons will start running some very nasty pieces and exposes. Kagame is not like Putin, Ahmadinejad or Chavez, he has nothing he can fight back with... And China might not come to the rescue. Is there anything China can harvest from Rwanda? Or are you all naive to assume they are benevolent benefactors? You summed it up perfectly, without the western back slapping him, Kagame is just another African dictator who believes his citizens need him (read western media). whether we like it or not the west will somehow figure out a way to chop him down to bits. I for one hope the west does not abandon him coz for sure the great lakes region will explode leading to loss of countless lives and wealth. Someone needs to overthrow Kabila junior, he is an embarassment. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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newfarer wrote:now donors(us german netherlands etc) are dropping support to rwanda like a hot potato over alleged rwandan support of drcongo m23 rebels.
this is why I think african dictators should learn to retire when they are still useful.
if kagame retired like last year he would be in almost same rank as mandela.
now without donor support he will be nothing
Newfarer could you please change the heading? I do not think that Kagame's leadership has taken a nose dive. Just that he has annoyed Kabila and the Western powers.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Africans needs this type of dictator to grow. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/30/2010 Posts: 176
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Impunity wrote:Africans needs this type of dictator to grow. True dat. A benevolent dictator is a necessity when establishing some structures and/or policies...but with time, almost all of them loose the benevolence and remain dictators. 
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/27/2010 Posts: 324 Location: nrb
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"Rwanda remains highly dependent on grants from its Development Partners. About 40 percent of the budget is financed by grants, adding up to 11.0 percent of GDP in 2010/11. This can easily turn into vulnerability if donors were to reduce their foreign assistance to Rwanda in the context of the fiscal consolidation exercises being implemented by many of them, including in connection to the sovereign debt crisis in the Euro zone. At the same time, revenues are still among the lowest in the East African Region"
Quote from Wbank web. dont know how to put rink.
the gap can easily be filled up by chinese aid, that is as long as it's not humanitarian aid. Chinese have enough of their own humanitarian requirements at home.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/27/2010 Posts: 324 Location: nrb
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and chinese could use this as new experiment in influence expansion- using politics to muzzle their way into the wealth of the congo. what is level of chinese prescenece in DRC?
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