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‘Bring me down and kill the reform dream’
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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What was it Gachoka passed to the ICC officials?? Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Njung'e wrote:What was it Gachoka passed to the ICC officials?? ebu toboa...i have a flask full of uji (millet)...am waiting!! ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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ya!!! he has been a reformer since 1987...his reform portfolio cannot be matched by anyone else in the republic...his reforms records and achievements can speak for themselves!!! infact without him there will be no reforms in this country!!! very sad indeed.  ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Baba Fidel should stick with political entertainment. Calling himself a reformer brings a lot of issues and questions.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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Raila accuses NSIS as being part of a larger plot against him!! What's the import of that! Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/28/2008 Posts: 2,276 Location: Kibish
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B.Timer wrote:
Raila accuses NSIS as being part of a larger plot against him!!
What's the import of that!
What's the r/ship btn NSIS and politics baba Makarios? Nadondosha meli kubwa seuze ngalawa!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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I thought he was wholesomely advised to avoid reacting to Miguna? But all along I knew that was a loooooong order for one OAR.  Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Thought so too...it's hard for oar to just let it go...now this might even ignite more reactions just when i thought MM was gone and 'dead'! i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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harrydre wrote:Thought so too...it's hard for oar to just let it go...now this might even ignite more reactions just when i thought MM was gone and 'dead'! Me love this: The only person pregnant with the "reform dream" is RAO, so if you kill this pregnant person you as well kill the reforms baby. The best quack to do the abortion is one nsis.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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I thought i heard this "reform strategy" was Miguu na miguu na....'s baby? I dont think RAO got the concept and he's gonna kill the strategy if he over does it. He'll raise more questions, scrutinies etc than ever and with the "strategist" out of his park, he might just not get the whole idea. Remember, all those on the other side have worked with him at one time or the other and know for sure if there has been any reforms or not.... Personally, i am trying to look hard.... may be i might un-earth some reforms..... all i've known him to do is to jump ship, even when the ship is his own and abandon it to a "cleaner-looking" one.... someone(a hater may be) said if his son is following his father's footsteps in "ship-jumping", he might end up getting married every election year! So single ladies can still hold on to their dreams!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2011 Posts: 483
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One question that I keep asking myself is, are we really this daft as Kenyans to buy some of this claims about NSIS, political enemies, etc. If we truly are, the we surely deserve this kind of leaders.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/22/2010 Posts: 510 Location: De egg
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I think he should deal with the issues Miguna raised before its too late politically, but with the kind of advisors who still believe that in this age and technology era Kenyans still don't read and also forget first , they will rudely learn that Miguna shot in the air has woken even the sleeping babies . Peace be with you
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/7/2007 Posts: 838
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Someone tell me this. Why would nsis fund a book aimed to discredit oar,have it sold at 3k while knowing that majority of kenyans wont afford it. I believe with technology,they can use better and cheaper means of destroying his credibility. WHO DARES WINS
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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I think i missed some memo. So our reform dreams were pegged to Baba Makarios? If so, then we are in for a lot of trouble.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/25/2012 Posts: 261
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The "reformer" is indeed a "reformer".
I have never seen or heard something he reformed in Kibera.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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Are we all saying here that non of the leading politicians are reformers, but we still vote them in anyway?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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harrydre wrote:Thought so too...it's hard for oar to just let it go...now this might even ignite more reactions just when i thought MM was gone and 'dead'! just because the mainstream media and social networks have stopped talking about does not mean mashinani guys are not talking, most kenyans don't have access to the internet, actually most read old newspapers - I think thats why he gave the interview to the newspaper guys.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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abdulrahman wrote:The "reformer" is indeed a "reformer".
I have never seen or heard something he reformed in Kibera. well, I don't think we can measure his alleged reforms from kibera - I think that's being a tad too harsh on him. I think he played some part in the reform movement in the 80's and maybe early 90's. He was not the among the major guys, but he was in there somewhere.
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