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essyk
#41 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:41:11 PM
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These MRC fellows make me wonder.
I have gone through their Hatred and vile filled FB page and I just can't believe what am reading.
Hawa sio wataka amani hata kidogo.

lets see.

How to start your country in 4 easy stepsPray

1. Make sure u r eligible

>You must have a defined territory.
>You must have a permanent population.
>You must have a government.

2. Declare independence
Just because youve met the qualifications and declared yourself independent doesnt mean that youre going to be taken seriously. Even the Principality of Sealandlocated on a 10,000-square-foot platform in the North Seahas tried with mixed success to claim sovereignty under these qualifications.

3. Get recognised
Theres not much point in having your own country unless other countries acknowledge your existence. International recognition is what gives a country legitimacy in the international community

4. Join the club
Membership in the United Nations has become the gold standard of international legitimacy. When you are admitted to the U.N, thats a form of approval.Its like a stamp [that says] you are now a full member of the international community.
You can mail your application to:
Secretary-General of the The United Nations Laughing out loudly

Now comes the hard part. The Security Council must refer you to the General Assembly, which must determine by a two-thirds majority that you are a peace-loving state that can carry out the duties of the U.N. Charter.

Its probably not even worth trying this unless youve completed step 3. A number of unrecognized states have applied for U.N. recognition over the years, including American-Indian tribes, but without the credibility bestowed by bilateral recognition, these applications are usually just filed away.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/ar...untry_in_four_easy_steps
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
Sarrouniya
#42 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 7:03:50 AM
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essyk wrote:
These MRC fellows make me wonder.
I have gone through their Hatred and vile filled FB page and I just can't believe what am reading.
Hawa sio wataka amani hata kidogo.

lets see.

How to start your country in 4 easy stepsPray

1. Make sure u r eligible

>You must have a defined territory.
>You must have a permanent population.
>You must have a government.

2. Declare independence
Just because youve met the qualifications and declared yourself independent doesnt mean that youre going to be taken seriously. Even the Principality of Sealandlocated on a 10,000-square-foot platform in the North Seahas tried with mixed success to claim sovereignty under these qualifications.

3. Get recognised
Theres not much point in having your own country unless other countries acknowledge your existence. International recognition is what gives a country legitimacy in the international community

4. Join the club
Membership in the United Nations has become the gold standard of international legitimacy. When you are admitted to the U.N, thats a form of approval.Its like a stamp [that says] you are now a full member of the international community.
You can mail your application to:
Secretary-General of the The United Nations Laughing out loudly

Now comes the hard part. The Security Council must refer you to the General Assembly, which must determine by a two-thirds majority that you are a peace-loving state that can carry out the duties of the U.N. Charter.

Its probably not even worth trying this unless youve completed step 3. A number of unrecognized states have applied for U.N. recognition over the years, including American-Indian tribes, but without the credibility bestowed by bilateral recognition, these applications are usually just filed away.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/ar...untry_in_four_easy_steps


Judging from the vitriol filled emotions, a compromise position was the way forward. It is easier to insist pwani ni Kenya from the comfort of your mansion in Runda or state house. Taking a hardline stance ni kusema those of us here perceived to have taken their jobs, run for our lives. I believe that is the best the Courts could have done. Lakini which country are we in?
|The Universe will correspond to the nature of your song ...
jamplu
#43 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:43:44 AM
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...someone once suggested that legitimizing MRC is the easiest way of initializing its slow death and i think this is the way to go.
Njung'e
#44 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:59:55 AM
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jamplu wrote:
...someone once suggested that legitimizing MRC is the easiest way of initializing its slow death and i think this is the way to go.


And he could have been right....In my jinga opinion,"MRC" was given a rope to hang itself with.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
essyk
#45 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:04:03 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
jamplu wrote:
...someone once suggested that legitimizing MRC is the easiest way of initializing its slow death and i think this is the way to go.


And he could have been right....In my jinga opinion,"MRC" was given a rope to hang itself with.


My thoughts exactly.Hawaoni hivyo.
Celebrating a lost cause.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
254.co.ke
#46 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:55:23 AM
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I concur with Njung'e, these MRC guys cant see the bigger picture.If they are a legal group now ,at bare minimum they are expected to behave in conformity with the same constitution which legitimized their status.That is first respect Kenya as a unitary state, and drop the secession call-upto that i agree with the courts. My bone of contention however is the opening of the Pandora's box,now every other proscribed entity may see the need to rush to the same courts and agrue their case as a precedence has been set(its within their rights too).Another thing is i dont remember MRC asking to be registered as a political party if they so wished they have competent lawyers, what the judges gave on this IMO was unsolicited legal counsel
FundamentAli
#47 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:10:14 AM
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Me thinks garment has to think seriously about youth, be they in coast or elsewhere in the country. Youth can destabilise country. There is a lot of foreign funding for youth activity which needs to be monitored closely to avoid subversion.
Kratos
#48 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 1:31:35 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
jamplu wrote:
...someone once suggested that legitimizing MRC is the easiest way of initializing its slow death and i think this is the way to go.


And he could have been right....In my jinga opinion,"MRC" was given a rope to hang itself with.


Guka, what if this was just pure judicial activism that we are seeing of late and there is really no plan? This could just be the beginning of the end!

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Rahatupu
#49 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:23:30 PM
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Kratos wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
jamplu wrote:
...someone once suggested that legitimizing MRC is the easiest way of initializing its slow death and i think this is the way to go.


And he could have been right....In my jinga opinion,"MRC" was given a rope to hang itself with.


Guka, what if this was just pure judicial activism that we are seeing of late and there is really no plan? This could just be the beginning of the end!


The courts will be the undoing of Kenya. They're really trying to do the opposite of what the executive expects so as to appear independent at the cost of the country's security.
Rahatupu
#50 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:31:39 PM
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254.co.ke wrote:
I concur with Njung'e, these MRC guys cant see the bigger picture.If they are a legal group now ,at bare minimum they are expected to behave in conformity with the same constitution which legitimized their status.That is first respect Kenya as a unitary state, and drop the secession call-upto that i agree with the courts. My bone of contention however is the opening of the Pandora's box,now every other proscribed entity may see the need to rush to the same courts and agrue their case as a precedence has been set(its within their rights too).Another thing is i dont remember MRC asking to be registered as a political party if they so wished they have competent lawyers, what the judges gave on this IMO was unsolicited legal counsel


I concur:
Judiciary gave MRC Kenya a lifeline by lifting a ban imposed on the ‘proscribed cessationist group’ through a court ruling that has elicited political and government emotions.
NSIS however neutralized the threat posed by this proscribed ethnic-religious saboteur group that is funded by both local and foreign players.
MRC Kenya, as projected in previous analysis, poses a significant threat to Kenya’s national security for a number of reasons including serving the interests of foreign countries, subversive activity, economic sabotage, ethnic divide, and geostrategic value degradation.
Kenya’s geostrategic value to the east and central Africa is immense. Actually it has outgrown its shoes leading to both regional and international players to skeptically eye Nairobi and to stymie this progress and value is a policy opted by these players.
MRC Kenya, however benefits nothing from the ban lift, hence the state should not worry besides the politicians.
The strategic value of MRC Kenya to its sympathizers was washed away when judiciary advised it becomes registered as a political party to allow it pursue its cause with little ado.
The judge had carefully read the threats posed by MRC Kenya and indeed sought advice from either a legal expert from the intelligence community or the government legal office on how to counter the groups amorphous structure.
MRC Kenya, should it register as a political party, enters into a tray which is under the National Security Intelligence Service NSIS spotlight/watch/scrutiny.
Its source of funds, revenue, origin of support, members and their associates, foreign and local support will be easily audited and quickly checked to limit their future capacity to pose any threat to Kenya’s national security.
NSIS will easily access accounts, membership lists, travel, meetings, and communication between those in both senior and vital positions of the groups systems and locals and foreigners suspect in funding/sympathizing with the group.
In such a state, MRC Kenya is no-longer a threat neither a complex structure with an amorphous look that threatens Kenya.
NSIS merely neutralized MRC Kenya without using adverse means let alone brutal police force on its members.

RINK

Question: What if they don't take up the advice to go it as a political party??

alma
#51 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:34:01 PM
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Maybe we forgot to read the constitution. The chapter on freedom of association.

Long gone are the days when some guys would sit somewhere and decide who should meet with who and talk about what. If the gov't hadn't read the constitution, I'm sure right now they are reading it.

What is wrong if someone wants to leave? There is already a process in this constitution that tells you exactly how to do that. It wouldn't be there if it was a sin.

So MRC have followed the constitution. They went to court unlike many of us, and they got their ruling. To me they are more constitutional than all these fellas saying it is a bad organisation.

Says who? The politician who has just realised that in the coast, it will not be business as usual. They will elect their representatives as they feel and no usual political games will pass there.

Good for MRC and too bad for guys who didn't read when they went to vote.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
tycho
#52 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 3:46:30 PM
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FundamentAli wrote:
Me thinks garment has to think seriously about youth, be they in coast or elsewhere in the country. Youth can destabilise country. There is a lot of foreign funding for youth activity which needs to be monitored closely to avoid subversion.


How can the youth destabilize the country?

Please, lets own to our failures. How could there be such a great disconnect between the youth and the older members of society without the involvement of the latter?

Every day I see the youth being cornered in the name of retaining stability, but youth is part of the system, how can the system deny itself and retain its integrity?

If it be perceived by anyone that the youth are resisting, or fighting; then let it be known that this is a reaction to resistance, . . . denial.

Let me now say that it is the youth who can make any political sense now. They have the power to weed out tribalism, corruption, and insecurity.

tycho
#53 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 3:52:14 PM
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alma wrote:
Maybe we forgot to read the constitution. The chapter on freedom of association.

Long gone are the days when some guys would sit somewhere and decide who should meet with who and talk about what. If the gov't hadn't read the constitution, I'm sure right now they are reading it.

What is wrong if someone wants to leave? There is already a process in this constitution that tells you exactly how to do that. It wouldn't be there if it was a sin.

So MRC have followed the constitution. They went to court unlike many of us, and they got their ruling. To me they are more constitutional than all these fellas saying it is a bad organisation.

Says who? The politician who has just realised that in the coast, it will not be business as usual. They will elect their representatives as they feel and no usual political games will pass there.

Good for MRC and too bad for guys who didn't read when they went to vote.


This is confirmation of the Revolution that sneaked into the world like a thief in the night.


Sarrouniya
#54 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 7:25:40 PM
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Lakini when all is said and done, these guys have a point. One look at the greedy self serving leaders we have, the struggles we face, ati na wanarudisha pesa! I want to secede! ...to the mighty republic of Wazua where democracy reigns, resources are shared without prejudices or bias in an effort to improve each others lives, everyone loves everyone. Who's coming with me, baby?
|The Universe will correspond to the nature of your song ...
Kratos
#55 Posted : Monday, August 06, 2012 8:34:07 AM
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c&p

Quote:
The High Court, in its wisdom or lack of it, offered the MRC the option of becoming a political party. The MRC had not asked for that.

This Father Christmas jurisprudence of showering litigants with unsolicited goodies is surely a precedent in Kenya.

For their trouble, the judges have ended up being humiliated by the MRC. The group’s spokesman, a fellow called Hamza Randu, stated very clearly in a language no court clerk could fail to understand, that the MRC are NOT interested in becoming a political party or being part of Kenya’s political process. They simply want secession. Full stop.



“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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