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Kenyan banks under stress.
corrector
#1 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 10:21:00 AM
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initial stress tests indicate that in the event of deterioration in loan performance,three banks whose CAR’s are just above the required level would need to replenish their capital,the IMF said.In my view CfC-Stanbic,Co-op and imperial bank
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#2 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 10:45:00 AM
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Forgive my innocence,but CAR ni gitu gani? Who conducts them? Who conducted the 'initial' one you have quoted?
Mainat
#3 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 11:10:00 AM
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Corrector- this sounds correct,but do you have the link to the info or can you email it to me?

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#4 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 11:10:00 AM
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Don't go around bandying names... If you do give a name,tell us why you think they are close to the CAR...

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#5 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 11:30:00 AM
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Corrector .....Read the rule of the game here.....>>>>>>...

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corrector
#6 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 11:54:00 AM
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Check it out,but the most serious info is with central bank which refused to mention names


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Mainat
#7 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 11:59:00 AM
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CAR is capital adequacy ratio http://www.imf.org/exter...ft/scr/2009/cr09191.pdf page 10. The one I don't understand is co-op which looked healthy. Any more info on how you came up with Co-op corrector? How about KCb or DTB based on 2008 results?

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corrector
#8 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 12:09:00 PM
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@mainat....am sourcing for some more info from CBK...whats your email
corrector
#9 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 12:11:00 PM
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@ Gordan..IMF conducted the intial stress test
MistaT
#10 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 4:50:00 PM
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It is definitely hard to accurately tell how specific banks have perfomed under stress test conditions without knowing the specific assumptions applied in carrying out the tests. This is because the stress test results tend to be driven by the risk profile of a banks assets as proxied by the quality of counterparties and collaterals,and other information not publicly available. Specifically,stress tests tend to use more granular information relating to the various exposures by the bank taking into account the various risks that could arise and their likely impact on capital position.

The assumption could include decrease in value of the investment portfolio,drop in the value of collaterals,increase in default rates,risks as a result of concentration to certain group of clients or sectors,and run on deposits and fire sale of assets.

The information to carry out the stress tests are normally obtained from the prudential information submitted by the banks to the supervisory body or through specific request for additional information from individual banks by the supervisory body. These information could include; Loan-to-Value ratios (LTV),Debt Service Ratios (DSR),credit concentration information,quality of loans,and asset and liability mismatches giving rise to FX and/or interest rate risks.







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Mainat
#11 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 8:41:00 PM
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MistaT-nice summary. But for UK/US banks not Kenyans banks which I don't really think apply such loan criteria such LTV apart from Stanchart.
Kenyan banks is just more by way of job losses I believe.


Corrector-i left em address but still waiting for document.


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VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 9:11:00 PM
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Is this the MainaT I thought I knew?
* Kenyan Banks do use LTV on many loans esp cars,real estate
** I am not sure if I trust the valuations (V) used for LTV calculations but the same could be said for the UK & USA
*** Personal loans (esp the type Equity gives out) are normally 'guaranteed' rather than secured by collateral but I believe any large amount has to be secured.

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MistaT
#13 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:27:00 AM
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It is hoped that given the level of deposits held by the identified borderline banks at 13 per cent of total industry customer deposits,the Central Bank of Kenya being the primary regulator of the banking sector will step in and carry out its own independent stress tests to identify the vulnerability of such institutions to changes in the market conditions.

The central bank should require the institutions which fail such stress tests to raise additional capital to avert any failures which may have a major adverse impact on an already weakening economy. It is time that the CBK becomes proactive in the use of early warning signs and act to ensure that all the banks have adequate capital buffer especially given the current global financial market conditions and the likelihood that the quality of assets may continue to deteriorate as projected by the IMF report.

The CBK should also speed up the implementation of the Basel II capital framework or come up with a short-term mechanism to ensure that the capital position of the banks is reflective of all risks not captured by the old capital adequacy frameworks.The specific risk which should be considered in additional to credit risk should include; operational risk,credit concentration risk,strategic risk and market risk.


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Mainat
#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:54:00 AM
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VV-i don't think they use them ltvs in the same way that the US/Uk banks do was probably the pt I was making. With the exception of StanChart which does do proper due diligence.

MistaT-v true that we need CBK to stop being the banks' cheerleaders and set real deadlines for implementation of Basel2. Having Basel2 implemented would actually make our banks among the best regulated in Africa as only SA has done it.

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Slowdude
#15 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:29:00 AM
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mmh,mmmmmh,mmmmh.

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#16 Posted : Friday, July 03, 2009 8:30:00 AM
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I dont think Co-op bank is on the list. they are awash with capital after IPO. They practically doubled their capitalisation. Infact the artcile in the paper rules out the top 3 banks.
Mainat
#17 Posted : Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:42:00 PM
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CFC is on the list for sure going by this article.
http://www.businessdaily.../-/55pq5r/-/index.html.

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Euge
#18 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 11:22:00 AM
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@Mainat CFC have approached me to revive an account I had with them but stopped using. Is it safe to keep money with them. Am a layman with no clue on all these banking terms. Thanks.
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#19 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 2:48:00 PM
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I think that Coop Bank's business model is sufficiently different to warrant a different set of considerations when evaluating its financial health. Being the banker of choice for Cooperatives,I have no do doubt that its shareholding risk is well spreadout. The success of its bond issue is a testament to how highly this bank is regarded by investors.
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#20 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 6:43:00 PM
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When did Co-op Bank do a bond issue?


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