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Mandlagh
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:42:00 PM
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my good friends,i have been in the stock market for over 3yrs now,with a portfolio of arnd ksh 1.5m.However my net valuatn of my portfolio is always negative or at balance..i make money in this stock but another one pulls me down more.i rarely sell though..actualy only sold kengen after the ipo in 2006??i am always considering quiting coz i believe my money would have worked better for me in other investmnts..when i hear ppl talking of making money in stocks,i am left wondering wether its me who invested in the wrng counters..but again my counters are good from what i read in sk..i have BBK,KCB,HFCK,KENGEN,SCNGRP,SAFCM,EACBLES,NBK & EVRDY..I have participated in ipos,and rights issue for some of these companies..the only reason i havnt quit thus far is becos am not i need of the money at the moment and view it as a saving scheme...but this wont last longer.now my brothers & sisters,could u pls advise me wether to leave or hang on..and if to hang on..how i can make money..grds


seize the moment
MAREXX
#2 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:28:00 PM
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save for equity and bbk......i deakl with under 18s....small fluctuations bring much if you have arge volumes.....go for safcom....when its under 5.50 with a milli and wait for it to hit 8 bob.or more .do the maths bro

JESUS DOES NOT INVEST,HE SAVES.FOLLOW CHRIST!
tmatekwa
#3 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:54:00 PM
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You seem to be a long term investor. Your portfollio should consist of shares with a proven track record of growth. These are east african brewers,equity bank,nation media kcb. Other with potential prospects are,hfck,athi river,access kenya. You should by now have sold safaricom if you bought during the ipo to make a profit. Get rid of every thing and buy what I have outlined above.

Osama bin Laden
netscape
#4 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:56:00 PM
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You have a nice portfolio but you need to act on some of your stocks.
To me the rule is that I dispose those stocks that have surged in price by 4-7%- over the past one year- a hard decision! Hold on stocks that have stable PE but usually consider holding for those stable companies with high return on equity rather than those with high PE ratio that should get you something man.

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Gordon Gekko
#5 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:06:00 PM
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Your portfolio is what you have said it is - a saving. Would you rather liquidate it and keep the cash in a bank as an alternative saving method? I urge patience my friend. What do you do with the dividends anyway? If you reinvest it in more stock you will be amazed at the power of compounding.
doh
#6 Posted : Friday, August 01, 2008 3:59:00 AM
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Get someone else to manage it for you. Your problem could be you donot sell when you need to.

Invest in BAAM equity fund. Fund grew by 24% over the last one year.

info is money
Peace
#7 Posted : Friday, August 01, 2008 5:50:00 AM
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life is not always fair....

you have the money but it doesnt give you the returns...

to be sincere i only have 20,000 and i have been able to get some good returns...can you loan me some of your cash..then i pay at an interest....banks dont like giving single ladies loans..

though i also have a friend who pays some guy 10,000 then they trade on your behalf...she has been abls to make good money....

ahh
eli
#8 Posted : Friday, August 01, 2008 6:27:00 AM
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1. Have a goal.
I pump my cash in like 2 counters! Not more than that and watch them grow,if they dont grow,I move(after a given timespan). I do the work of looking at my stocks,daily if not hourly. Jesus says,where your treasure is,there your heart is also.

1.5M three years ago should be 5M now! Properly invested in 1 or 2 counters. Why scatter your wealth if you know 95% that a given share will do well. Why do guess work by investing in other counters!which you are not sure! Diversification is for those who are guessing! If this doesnt work,then this will work. If not this share then that share. Get serious!

Take for example,Equity was 123bob(read discounted price/ margin of safety) in Feb,2008,and the bank had been bought by Helios(read good management),the bank was branching into UG(read growth and expansion) and the bank was giving like 30B shillings for Safaricom IPO(read aggressive,creating a market niche,good Moat,more revenues),and they by July 12,2008,just barely six months,it was like 330bob,the 1.5M you have could have given 4.5M,and you are telling me that you have made nothing! My goodness,You need caning!

Even Eveaready has doubled in the last six months, your cash would be 3M.

If monitoring stocks is a hard job,pump your cash with asset managers like Britak,Old mutual. The latter returned like 75% in the last three years. I was there on last weekend on Saturday,just to be abreast with news. I saw with my own two yes,the returns in the last three years. Your cash would be 2.6M now.

Please read financial news to know how these business and financial news affect your share/ stock. Dont just sit ndeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee,waiting for your cash to grow.

Information is not power,power is in acting on that information. Please read. Proverbs says that my people perish for lack of knowledge! Men get knowledge,get financial wisdom. If you were next to be I would have given you some caning. You are a joker.

If you need more advice,please email me,lets chat,talk,sms,on peter@thedoxa.net

Grab a website,visit www.thedoxa.net
Mandlagh
#9 Posted : Friday, August 01, 2008 6:55:00 AM
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thanks guys,what am getting is i need to specialise,get a portfolio manager,be patient etc..it all sounds good but i have tried most...i dont want abnornal returns so am focusing on making 20-30% p.a..how can i?given that i have limited time.rgds

seize the moment
Wendz
#10 Posted : Friday, August 01, 2008 7:08:00 AM
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put it in Britak.... ask those who are in it what they made for the year!

Some deals are like glass. Sometimes it's better to leave them broken than try to hurt yourself putting it back together.
TADS
#11 Posted : Friday, August 01, 2008 11:22:00 AM
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Hi..............pole sana. Had you invested the same in unit trusts you would have made close to 84% net returns. Talk to me i have done it and it works

Tim Mwaura
Personal Financial Advice
mukiha
#12 Posted : Friday, August 01, 2008 1:31:00 PM
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Obviously,you need an asset manager. Liquidate everything and put your money in a unit trust. Then concentrate in your other businesses and every time you extra cash in your hands top-up your account.

Ignore IPOs since you unit trust will put some of the money there.

But remember,this will be for the very long term (Minimum 10 years!!!!). Don't even check daily performance in the press - you will only get depressed...
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
Kal-El
#13 Posted : Friday, August 01, 2008 2:52:00 PM
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@Mandlagh

Two words: trading plan

Forget the rest of the advice given in reply to your thread,it might work for those who wrote it but its unlikely to work for you because your objectives are different from theirs.

Whats a trading plan?

A trading plan is a tool that helps maintain consistency in trading and acts as a reference tool when a trader needs guidance in making a trading decision

A trading plan will list the trader’s: objectives,risk capital,trading strategy,trading routine,weaknesses,and how to keep a trading journal

Contents of a plan

Traders need to have a plan and need to follow the plan. Some of the essentials that every trading plan should have are:

Objectives: A clear set of SMART objectives must be established by the trader; these will form the vision of the trader and guide his/her every trading decision.

Risk Capital: Your plan should indicate how much money you want to dedicate towards speculative trading. Do not trade more than what you indicate as your risk capital,and contrary to what some have said,money invested in speculative trading cannot be considered as savings as equities are highly volatile.

Trading System: A trading system is the heart of your trading plan. It is the technical part that indicates how each trade is taken. It will indicate the stocks that you intend to trade,the time frame over which you trade (one week,one month etc.),the signal that identifies a trade setup,the signal that confirms a trade setup,your entry and exit points.

Trading Routine: Your routine will determine three things: when you will analyze the market and plan your trades,when you will actually watch the market to take trades,and when you will evaluate your trading actions.

Trader’s weaknesses: To be a better trader,one needs to admit on personal weaknesses in order to work on them This will be an objective way to keep track of things that you need to work on in order to become a successful trader. e.g. 'I tend to overtrade','I tend to hold on to large losses,and take small profits'


Happy trading

It's not about the ending,it's about the journey.
jupiter
#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:48:00 AM
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Synonymous with milking a stone?

All that glitters is not gold
Pablo
#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:31:00 AM
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Location: Nairobi


Boss,you say youre a long term investor. Wachana na shares.

Buy just 1 acre of land somewhere in Kitengela for like 1.2 - 1.3M. Pay 150k or so to subdivide to quarters or eigths. Relax for 2 years.

Then buy me a beer.




Be greedy when others are fearful,be fearful when others are greedy.
Goals
#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:33:00 AM
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You have failed to take profits when your shares go up. Unrealised gains wont help you. Get fund managers or mutual funds if unable to manage your portfolio.


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