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Tokyo
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:53:02 AM
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A time has come when Kenyans should standup and demand our troops who are in harms way in hostile terrains of Somalia back. They have performed their duties with dedication and patriotism .every Kenyan is proud of them. Reasons are;
- this is ideological war which fanatics already think religion as the reasons. We know you can never win against such propaganda .
-the economical effects in a country like kenya is massive
-our leaders invaded a failed country without a clear plan on how to end the war
- we share a common border meaning very vulnerable to the fanatics obsessed and having a zeal to inflict destruction to life and property.
- due to hardships and less opportunities our people can easily be recruited complicating already severe situation .
- harmony of Kenyans is weak. That means in case another PEV 2013,(God forbid) the consequences and alshabab terrorists within, it will be a serious security problem.
- many of our officers are highly corrupt. Meaning easier for terrorism to operate.ethiopians despite being in Somalia for long have very few if any random attacks. Reasons their people are individually highly patriotic and love for their country.
etc...
I suggest:
- pull the troops out immediately
-create a buffer zone in the border . Like 50 km and deploy the army currently in Somalia .
- close all refugees camp in kenya. Daadab etc. build refugees camp in the southern Somalia . Let it be secured by international community and others involved .
- have a physical address of all properties and people in kenya.
- land plots and buildings in kenya owned by foreigners should be scrutinized again.
-all banks operating within Kenyans border must be vigilant especially because there might be evidence that terrorists are operating and transacting.read HSBC issues in US
-Somalia should be divided.kenya can start by recognizing the peaceful
Somali land . Use Her diplomacy to campaign for dividing Somalia .
-as a long term measure, kenya should introduce an IC identity card to curb forgery.
work to prosper
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AlphDoti
#2 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:58:38 AM
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@tokyo guy, for the first time in Wazua, i'm agreeing with 80% of what you've written Applause
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kamundu
#3 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:46:57 AM
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Tokyo for defence minister
Peace in our Homeland.
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Rahatupu
#4 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:11:50 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
A time has come when Kenyans should standup and demand our troops who are in harms way in hostile terrains of Somalia back.(Sic)Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Liar Liar Liar . They have already eliminated harm from their way (atleat 90%) They have performed their duties with dedication and patriotism .every Kenyan is proud of them. Reasons are;
- this is ideological war which fanatics already think religion as the reasons. We know you can never win against such propaganda .Shame on you Shame on you
-the economical effects in a country like kenya is massiveShame on you Shame on you
-our leaders invaded a failed country without a clear plan on how to end the war (you are wrong on this)Shame on you Shame on you
- we share a common border meaning very vulnerable to the fanatics obsessed and having a zeal to inflict destruction to life and property.
- due to hardships and less opportunities our people can easily be recruited complicating already severe situation .
- harmony of Kenyans is weak. That means in case another PEV 2013,(God forbid) the consequences and alshabab terrorists within, it will be a serious security problem.
- many of our officers are highly corrupt. Meaning easier for terrorism to operate.ethiopians despite being in Somalia for long have very few if any random attacks. Reasons their people are individually highly patriotic and love for their country.
etc... (this is far fetched)
I suggest:
- pull the troops out immediately(sic)
-create a buffer zone in the border . Like 50 km and deploy the army currently in Somalia .
- close all refugees camp in kenya. Daadab etc. build refugees camp in the southern Somalia . Let it be secured by international community and others involved .(BRAVO)Applause Applause
- have a physical address of all properties and people in kenya.
- land plots and buildings in kenya owned by foreigners should be scrutinized again.(GREAT)Applause Applause
-all banks operating within Kenyans border must be vigilant especially because there might be evidence that terrorists are operating and transacting.read HSBC issues in USApplause Applause Applause
-Somalia should be divided.kenya can start by recognizing the peaceful
Somali land . Use Her diplomacy to campaign for dividing Somalia .
-as a long term measure, kenya should introduce an IC identity card to curb forgery.


@Tokyo how cowardly you seem to be. Our patriotic KDF have accomplished 90% of the mission and how do you expect them to retreat after such amount of sweat and blood? Why not first acknowledge the success of our sons and daughters? The best defense is and has always been attack, attack, attack.....

I feel so proud of what KDF have accomplished and look forward to their continued stay in Somalia, I agree to your suggested solutions for the sake of rear operations and homeland security. By taking the war to the terrorists we have achieved a great measure of security (this may not be apparent to you) and is more of a long term measure. With Al shaabab disintegrated and its leadership in disarray the security that this brings cannnot be gainsaid. take your time to read: KDF success story
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Hunderwear
#5 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:21:32 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
A time has come when Kenyans should standup and demand our troops who are in harms way in hostile terrains of Somalia back. They have performed their duties with dedication and patriotism .every Kenyan is proud of them. Reasons are;
- this is ideological war which fanatics already think religion as the reasons. We know you can never win against such propaganda .
-the economical effects in a country like kenya is massive
-our leaders invaded a failed country without a clear plan on how to end the war
- we share a common border meaning very vulnerable to the fanatics obsessed and having a zeal to inflict destruction to life and property.
- due to hardships and less opportunities our people can easily be recruited complicating already severe situation .
- harmony of Kenyans is weak. That means in case another PEV 2013,(God forbid) the consequences and alshabab terrorists within, it will be a serious security problem.
- many of our officers are highly corrupt. Meaning easier for terrorism to operate.ethiopians despite being in Somalia for long have very few if any random attacks. Reasons their people are individually highly patriotic and love for their country.
etc...
I suggest:
- pull the troops out immediately
-create a buffer zone in the border . Like 50 km and deploy the army currently in Somalia .
- close all refugees camp in kenya. Daadab etc. build refugees camp in the southern Somalia . Let it be secured by international community and others involved .
- have a physical address of all properties and people in kenya.
- land plots and buildings in kenya owned by foreigners should be scrutinized again.
-all banks operating within Kenyans border must be vigilant especially because there might be evidence that terrorists are operating and transacting.read HSBC issues in US
-Somalia should be divided.kenya can start by recognizing the peaceful
Somali land . Use Her diplomacy to campaign for dividing Somalia .
-as a long term measure, kenya should introduce an IC identity card to curb forgery.



This a cheap way to look for attention try another
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Tokyo
#6 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:55:57 AM
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@Rahatupu.
Read my post and note-- I'm very proud of our troops. They have accomplished beyond expectations getting more respect domestically and internationally . Before the war many had doubt regarding their ability and technics.including Museveni . Such a brave and well organized forces.
I'm afraid you believe on attacking the enemy. Please remember you aren't dealing with an organized army. But fanatics whose agenda is different for a conventional army like KDF.remember Afghanistan and trillions spent there. Who and how will the enemy be defeated. ???despite advantages of US logistically .
You call me a coward. With respect that's is far from truth. I overcame insurmountable challenges in my short life. Why did we invade Somalia ? Note ; for 20 plus years since collapse of somalia those guys have never organized a terror act against kenya. It's only some criminal elements mostly refugees abducting few whites for economical issues. Correct me if wrong. that it's failure by our local security agents. Alshabab is a virtual group which can't be defeated. When cornered they melt and assemble later. I repeat
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME
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mkeiyd
#7 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:07:06 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
A time has come when Kenyans should standup and demand our troops who are in harms way in hostile terrains of Somalia back. They have performed their duties with dedication and patriotism .every Kenyan is proud of them. Reasons are;
- this is ideological war which fanatics already think religion as the reasons. We know you can never win against such propaganda .
-the economical effects in a country like kenya is massive
-our leaders invaded a failed country without a clear plan on how to end the war
- we share a common border meaning very vulnerable to the fanatics obsessed and having a zeal to inflict destruction to life and property.
- due to hardships and less opportunities our people can easily be recruited complicating already severe situation .
- harmony of Kenyans is weak. That means in case another PEV 2013,(God forbid) the consequences and alshabab terrorists within, it will be a serious security problem.
- many of our officers are highly corrupt. Meaning easier for terrorism to operate.ethiopians despite being in Somalia for long have very few if any random attacks. Reasons their people are individually highly patriotic and love for their country.
etc...
I suggest:
- pull the troops out immediately
-create a buffer zone in the border . Like 50 km and deploy the army currently in Somalia .
- close all refugees camp in kenya. Daadab etc. build refugees camp in the southern Somalia . Let it be secured by international community and others involved .
- have a physical address of all properties and people in kenya.
- land plots and buildings in kenya owned by foreigners should be scrutinized again.
-all banks operating within Kenyans border must be vigilant especially because there might be evidence that terrorists are operating and transacting.read HSBC issues in US
-Somalia should be divided.kenya can start by recognizing the peaceful
Somali land . Use Her diplomacy to campaign for dividing Somalia .
-as a long term measure, kenya should introduce an IC identity card to curb forgery.


Kenya has been pushing for refugee camps to be build inside Somalia, but we all know we can't do that alone,neither can we chase them from Dadaab.

On the second red,can Kenya divide Somalia single-handedly? NO!

Pulling our troops from Somalia would mean they fought all those months for nothing. The Al Shabaab would just rebuild in a months time.
They got to stick it there till the transitional gov't forces grow some teeth and gain respect from the locals.
Kismayu should be bagged before we start thinking of pulling out.
The rest of your post is sound.
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Rahatupu
#8 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:14:08 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
@Rahatupu.
Read my post and note-- I'm very proud of our troops. They have accomplished beyond expectations getting more respect domestically and internationally . Before the war many had doubt regarding their ability and technics.including Museveni . Such a brave and well organized forces.
I'm afraid you believe on attacking the enemy. Please remember you aren't dealing with an organized army. But fanatics whose agenda is different for a conventional army like KDF.remember Afghanistan and trillions spent there. Who and how will the enemy be defeated. ???despite advantages of US logistically .
You call me a coward. With respect that's is far from truth. I overcame insurmountable challenges in my short life. Why did we invade Somalia ? Note ; for 20 plus years since collapse of somalia those guys have never organized a terror act against kenya. It's only some criminal elements mostly refugees abducting few whites for economical issues. Correct me if wrong. that it's failure by our local security agents. Alshabab is a virtual group which can't be defeated. When cornered they melt and assemble later. I repeat
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME
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@Tokyo, I don't believe in retreat. This does not add value neither does it deter the enemy. Two, Kenya is not at war with the country called Somalia, its just that that country cannot contain Al shaabab that we took the war to them. Three: The failure by our local security agents will not end simply by recalling our troops. Just tell me why haven't the very brave and drastic measures that you've suggested (which I commend) not been implemented? The idea of moving Daadab into Somalia has been floated hundreds of times yet its now been done. Four: Without bold effort to defeat terrorism cowering because of fear only makes them bolder. The show of might is necessary and an obliteration of their abilities is imperative.

KDF have weakened the enemy in its various formations (conventional or otherwise), just like the US weakened Al Qaida. Now think of inaction as an alternative strategy and tell me the difference.

Lastly please understand there can be no limit to costs for security, there is no room for surrender due to costs. Security is a right we must protect with our blood not cost in money terms I rest my case.
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Intelligentsia
#9 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:40:21 PM
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Tokyo wrote:
A time has come when Kenyans should standup and demand our troops who are in harms way in hostile terrains of Somalia back. They have performed their duties with dedication and patriotism .every Kenyan is proud of them. Reasons are;
- this is ideological war which fanatics already think religion as the reasons. We know you can never win against such propaganda .

It is not an ideological war, AS are mere criminals perpetuating chaos so that they can continue looting Somalia - read their relationship with the pirates. they have tried to make it a religious war but the war-weary Somalis have seen Somali Kenya KDF officers and know it is NOT. The foreign fighters have tried to make it religious war but the ordinary Somalis have no stomach for them esp.the suicide bombing tactics these fighters have come with as well as extremist Islam - indeed that is where the public tide against AS started changing, rem bombing at a graduation in Mogdishu


-the economical effects in a country like kenya is massive
we are being refunded for all our war costs except for our naval assets by UNSC, so what econ effects again? BTW, so much magendo stuff like sukari was coming in to Kenya through Kismayo,Mandera thus distorting our economy n threatening jobs. Saa hii ni very low or hata hakuna! And illegal arms being used in Nairobbery..

-our leaders invaded a failed country without a clear plan on how to end the war

Our exit plan is already in place! Si we re-hatted to AMISOM the other day when our troops donned green berets? The delay in taking Kismayu is because our guys are helping develop a political structure that will take over power once AS are routed by Aug 2012 so that there's no power vacuum. Believe u me if it was a purely military solution KDF would have started taking tea in Kismayu ages ago.

- we share a common border meaning very vulnerable to the fanatics obsessed and having a zeal to inflict destruction to life and property.

Ordinary Somalis are moderates, its the few wakoras who throw in religion to try confuse poor Somali youths that it is jihad. Did you see the way ordinary Somalis ignored AS calls to take up arms against our troops juzi? Umeona vile KDF were being welcomed into liberated areas?And if the Iranians' arrest juzi is an example we clearly have other players to worry about rather than AS whose capabilities have been severely weakened

- due to hardships and less opportunities our people can easily be recruited complicating already severe situation .

Dude this is a weakness of our homeland security i.e our cops, Immigration and local security teams who were asleep when the Omondis & Weres were being recruited under their noses in Majengo and Pumwani Nbi, and who are selling our citizenship (ID/ PP) for huge sums . Totally nothing to do with OLN

- harmony of Kenyans is weak. That means in case another PEV 2013,(God forbid) the consequences and alshabab terrorists within, it will be a serious security problem.
Again our homeland security is very weak.

- many of our officers are highly corrupt. Meaning easier for terrorism to operate.ethiopians despite being in Somalia for long have very few if any random attacks. Reasons their people are individually highly patriotic and love for their country.
etc...

Again our homeland security, the weak link in our security chain

I suggest:
- pull the troops out immediately
Not when they are about to accomplish their mission

-create a buffer zone in the border . Like 50 km and deploy the army currently in Somalia .
That was one of the mission objective, huh?!
- close all refugees camp in kenya. Daadab etc. build refugees camp in the southern Somalia . Let it be secured by international community and others involved .
Agreed 100%

-Somalia should be divided.kenya can start by recognizing the peaceful
Somali land . Use Her diplomacy to campaign for dividing Somalia .
Western powers and Somalis are opposed to balkanization of Somali, one reason why U.S.& Brito were unhappy when OLN was launched. Consensus would be required, but ngumu sana
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aemathenge
#10 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:46:57 PM
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And what, pray, would you have them do when they come back to a very, very cold Kenia?
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