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Tokyo
#1 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:38:18 AM
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We call upon our government to think of legalizing abortion.
A time has come for our people to exercise their freedom as outlined in constitution . Our women needs a choice to plan their lives .
Nobody should be denied their natural justice .our women should stand up and demand their rights.
The advantages of Legalizing abortion are many especially in Kenya's young growing society .
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Impunity
#2 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:41:02 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
We call upon our government to think of legalizing abortion.
A time has come for our people to exercise their freedom as outlined in constitution . Our women needs a choice to plan their lives .
Nobody should be denied their natural justice .our women should stand up and demand their rights.
The advantages of Legalizing abortion are many especially in Kenya's young growing society .


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Nabwire
#3 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:07:43 AM
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I pray that this evil is never legalized in Kenya!!! I am so sick of this cock and bull story of how women should have a right to do what they please with their bodies, newsflash, we do know our rights and some women are for it while others are against it. There is therefore no need to free us from some kind of bondage and allow us to have abortions!!! This is a very effetive attempt at trying to normalize murder and giving women who would otherwise not abort, a reason to believe that it is ok. Legal or not, abortions happen, so this whole agenda of trying to legalize it, is just an attempt to romanticize it. Abortion is murder, period!!! Most women who have aborted regret their abortions, but this is conveniently swept under the rug. Its high time, we as human beings stood up for the rights of the unborn children, what about their rights? Atleast that woman made a choice and concived, what choice does the unborn child have? Or rather, wh should an innocent child be murdered because of the choices that a woman made? I'd rather have safe surrender houses, win win situation for both parties.
kyt
#4 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:22:42 AM
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its good that people are expressing thoughts here, very healthy but si those women funga their legs? i think its easier and cheaper than abortion. again its good to see freedom of expression here.
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essyk
#5 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:43:03 AM
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I would only agree to it if the mother's life and child are at risk.
Rape victims also have my sympathy but poor baby should be left to grow and be given out.

But don't tell me that men should go round impregnanting little girls,women and cucus at will and vice versa and expect me to approve it.

We are not animals so we can exercise self control.

Except it is rape why should you go around getting urself pregnant if you aren't married or able to take care of that baby?
It's cz we want fun without responsibility.
Get pregnant and give birth. After that leave the baby at some safe place and go if u have reached the end of urself..Not throw away.


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AlphDoti
#6 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:42:46 PM
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@essyk you have spoken just the same way I would have.
@Impunity please read the constitution again and understand: "..only if the mother's life and child are at risk."

By the way, so that you can know where this is coming from I will tell you some little statistic.
In the Western hemisphere; US and Canada, the UK and Europe and Australia, 2300 little children are murdered every single day. This is called arbotion. I call it The Easy Way out.

Can you imagine that! In an educated, sophisticated, world built upon success, they are murdering 2300 children every single day.

Now divide that by the hour. It means more than 105 little babies are being slaughtered every hour. So by the time I'll be finished browsing Wazua... 2hours, and in the West where people are wealthy, stable, sophysticated, educated, about 200 children would have been murdered.

But they call that arbotion. Or they call it family planning, a very nice word. I don't know how you plan families by killing them.

This is another subject, which we need to talk about, because I don't know how women live the rest of their lives knowing they killed.
On average, a woman who's single, free and an attached in the West kills at least 3 in a period of 20 years.

How she lives with that behind all the makeup, I don't know.

But do you know what happens to the feotuses? They came up with something.
They take those little babies, they killed, they liquidate them and they put them into makeup, so now you can kill a baby and wear it on your face.
tycho
#7 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 2:31:12 PM
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Both pro-life and pro-choice urguments seem to be based on the conceptual model of the individual as the center of action. I think this model is flawed.

An alternative model would have the conversation as the center of action.

This model would require us to be true and responsible, and all these problems will dissolve.
faa
#8 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 4:05:48 PM
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Abortion is unethical

Ms Mkenya
#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:32:49 AM
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No need for abortion when you can funga your legs..
By the way, the rape cases are the minority of those who seek abortion.
Most of the others just got pregnant 'at the wrong time'.
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kamundu
#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:09:30 AM
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Save the trees but kill the children.
This rights thing is going too far
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Jacy26
#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:46:35 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:

They take those little babies, they killed, they liquidate them and they put them into makeup, so now you can kill a baby and wear it on your face.


OMG! ati what? Pray Pray Pray
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abdulrahman
#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:09:30 AM
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people championing abortion is like satanism ! Nkt, Abortion is not a right
Kaka M
#13 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:27:40 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
We call upon our government to think of legalizing abortion.
A time has come for our people to exercise their freedom as outlined in constitution . Our women needs a choice to plan their lives .
Nobody should be denied their natural justice .our women should stand up and demand their rights.
The advantages of Legalizing abortion are many especially in Kenya's young growing society .


@ Tokyo, who is "WE?" Secondly would you please mention several advantages of legalizing abortion.
As u do the same give us a solution to fighting of Fighting HIV Aids because the circumstances in which people get pregnant and thus choose to go for abortions are the same ones that cause HIV.

Finally, In kenya we have a number of challenges such as domestic Violence, lack to proper healthcare for so many people, A very large population living below poverty line, drought and famine almost every year, Lack of clean water for many, crime,Drug abuse, Unemployment recent acts of terrorism, MRC, the list is almost endless why do u only pick on Legalizing abortion?
mkeiyd
#14 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:33:54 PM
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Does legalizing abortion mean people will just have them anyhow? As much as we would want ladies to carry pregnancy to term, there are benefits that abortion do bring,to specific group[s] of people.
Wholesome condemnation won't help anyone.
Picture a commercial sex worker who gets pregnant accidentally,what is she to do? Your guess is as good as mine if all pregnancies were to have been carried to term.
All i know, things would be uglier for such groups n society in general.
Ms Mkenya
#15 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:56:29 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
Does legalizing abortion mean people will just have them anyhow? As much as we would want ladies to carry pregnancy to term, there are benefits that abortion do bring,to specific group[s] of people.
Wholesome condemnation won't help anyone.
Picture a commercial sex worker who gets pregnant accidentally,what is she to do? Your guess is as good as mine if all pregnancies were to have been carried to term.
All i know, things would be uglier for such groups n society in general.


Those two phrases cannot go together. If she is a CSW, she should know better & take contraceptives if she is going to give services without protection.
....above all, to stand.
AlphDoti
#16 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:03:41 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
Does legalizing abortion mean people will just have them anyhow? As much as we would want ladies to carry pregnancy to term, there are benefits that abortion do bring,to specific group[s] of people.
Wholesome condemnation won't help anyone.
Picture a commercial sex worker who gets pregnant accidentally,what is she to do? Your guess is as good as mine if all pregnancies were to have been carried to term.
All i know, things would be uglier for such groups n society in general.


Those two phrases cannot go together. If she is a CSW, she should know better & take contraceptives if she is going to give services without protection.


@Ms Mkenya that's wisdom and good response there Applause
abdulrahman
#17 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:09:34 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
Does legalizing abortion mean people will just have them anyhow? As much as we would want ladies to carry pregnancy to term, there are benefits that abortion do bring,to specific group[s] of people.
Wholesome condemnation won't help anyone.
Picture a commercial sex worker who gets pregnant accidentally,what is she to do? Your guess is as good as mine if all pregnancies were to have been carried to term.
All i know, things would be uglier for such groups n society in general.


Those two phrases cannot go together. If she is a CSW, she should know better & take contraceptives if she is going to give services without protection.


Ditto !
tycho
#18 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:25:58 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
Does legalizing abortion mean people will just have them anyhow? As much as we would want ladies to carry pregnancy to term, there are benefits that abortion do bring,to specific group[s] of people.
Wholesome condemnation won't help anyone.
Picture a commercial sex worker who gets pregnant accidentally,what is she to do? Your guess is as good as mine if all pregnancies were to have been carried to term.
All i know, things would be uglier for such groups n society in general.


What does it mean when someone says that there is such thing as an accidental pregnancy?

No doubt, a conceptual model based on the individual as the center of action, and intention, has this possibility.

But what if we used a model focused on conversation as the center of action?

What words are used in the commercial sex transaction? 'I will pay you this amount for that kind of sexual experience.'

But who is 'I'? At any one time, the I is a collection of names, roles . . . relationships that are cybernetic.

Now, if the speaker is aware of this as is the hearer, and there is agreement, then there would be consensus on the consequences of what ensues.

As long as the 'I' is centered on conversation and there is consciousness of this fact, there is no way an actor will willingly terminate another actor's life. People in this case are, even before biological conception, even the buried are.

There is no pro-life, or pro-choice in this case; only life as intuition in a Bergsonian sense.

But when consciousness of the 'I' is seperated from the whole - the past, the future and the present, 'an individual' will act selfishly - 'individualistically.' But the 'individual' doesn't exist in fact!

To utter the word 'arbotion' is to submit to the powers of selfishness - read deception.

Nabwire
#19 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:27:58 PM
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Tycho pliz rudia what you have just written, in Swa.
Do you by any chance believe in Scientology? Maybe you can tell me the essence of this book that was recommended to me, all I got from it is a headache! Psycho Cybernetics
tycho
#20 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:40:03 PM
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Nabwire wrote:

Do you by any chance believe in Scientology? Maybe you can tell me the essence of this book that was recommended to me, all I got from it is a headache! Psycho Cybernetics


Why should one believe in something when truth is about being? You don't have to read the book at all, just think about these things for yourself, and everything will be clear.
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